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Offline Tater

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Re: Sitka gear?
« Reply #60 on: December 13, 2009, 03:15:00 PM »
Curt,
       I did not mean to ruffle anyone's feathers, never implied anything as far as I can tell from my post other than Sitka Gear is expensive. Only stating the facts there.

       It is excellent clothing and yes I own some. If you hunt the mountains as I do, where it can be 20deg F when you leave camp and 80deg F in the afternoon. You definately need to layer.
       

      If I am hunting woodlot Whitetails and a 45 min walk from my truck or sitting in a treestand all day, I dought it.
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Re: Sitka gear?
« Reply #61 on: December 13, 2009, 05:03:00 PM »
No worries Tater...no doubt it excels out west, the guys from Sitka are working hard at adding pieces of gear for the hard core treestand hunter. Is it perfect...no, nothing is. But I have found it to have the highest "warmth to weight" ratio of anything I've ever worn.


Rappstar, sorry you see it that way, just trying to pass along something I tried out, and worked great this weekend.


Just added my findings on a thread that was asking about Sitka gear. Isn't that what TG is about, trying to help others"thru experience"?  Have you tried the gear I'm talking about?
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Re: Sitka gear?
« Reply #62 on: December 13, 2009, 05:40:00 PM »
Hey Curt,

I haven't bought any of the heavier weight Sitka gear.  I only own the 90% and I use it for elk hunting.  Works great for that scenario.  So I'm not bagging on Sitka, excuse me if it seems that way.

Your "experience" reminds me of something that happened to me one time.  I used to hunt ducks and geese a lot.  Never really liked to eat them but founds ways to get it done.  I felt like I had to eat them since I killed them.

A friend came over one day and I was making some goose.  He asked if it was good...and I replied "of course its good!"  I then explained how you need to cook it.  Put two birds in a big crock with beef broth on low for about 6 hours.  The meat will just fall off the bone at that point.  Pull the meat off, drain the crock and then put all of the meat back into the crock.  Now pour a bottle of KC Masterpiece BBQ sauce into the crock and cook on low for an hour or so.  It comes out like shredded beef and tastes great!

He said "So it doesn't take like goose at all?"

Sorry but your "experience" is coming across as a sales pitch to me.

The original question of "is it worth it" is subjective so everyone is going to have an opinion.  

Have you weighed your old cold weather hunting garments and compared that weight to your cold weather Sitka garments?

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Re: Sitka gear?
« Reply #63 on: December 13, 2009, 06:09:00 PM »
I have no idea what your "experience" with your taste buds and cooking have to do with Sitka Gear    "[dntthnk]"  

But, Like I said, some people will never understand...too bad   :rolleyes:  

No need for a scale, I've worn both and my "experience" is from hunting with both of them.......

For the guys that aren't looking to argue their opinions and accuse others of being something they're not, I hope you can see that I'm just passing along my findings.

Like I said on another thread, "If I didn't believe in it....I wouldn't use it"...bottom line....is it for everyone...no
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Re: Sitka gear?
« Reply #64 on: December 13, 2009, 06:12:00 PM »
Arrowslinger....Sitka does come in Tall sizes bud....
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Re: Sitka gear?
« Reply #65 on: December 13, 2009, 07:05:00 PM »
Guru, thanks for the info.  I have not been able to find any of the tops in tall and thats where I usually run into problems.  I looked on the sitka site and they do not even offer the tops in tall.  Figured I would catch JC or Biggie at the hunting club and get my hands on some of theres to compare.  I would like to make sure the sleeves are long enough before I spend that kind of money.
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Re: Sitka gear?
« Reply #66 on: December 13, 2009, 07:22:00 PM »
Here is the deal.

The more difficult your hunt, the more you will appreciate Sitka Gear.  If you are walking out on the back 40, do you need it, is it the best piece of equiptment for the job???--probably not, but if you already have it for your elk hunts, sheep hunts, goat hunts, mooose hunts, brown bear hunts, or grizzly hunts and it works better than anything else, why not use it back home...overkill as it were.

I've spent a solid month hunting sheep in my Sitka Gear, it is still like new.  It is going to last me forever.  Over twenty, thirty, or fourty years, the cost is practically nothing.  I hoped while I was saving for it that it would be as good as all the hype...I think it is.

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Re: Sitka gear?
« Reply #67 on: December 13, 2009, 10:59:00 PM »
Sales Pitch? Hardly. Curt...nice response and very good input. For the record...My name is Peter Iacavazzi and I'm the director of pro staff for Sitka Gear.

Sitka did originally start as an active layering system for the mountain hunter. It was designed to be quiet, easy to wear and comfy. All of which it is. But as the demand for high quality hunting/camo emerged, Sitka Gear was propelled into a market for all.

Sitka responded by trying to create a warmer, quieter, and less "Bulky" system. They did very well. Than they joined forces with "Gore-Tex" and continued on the path of developing high quality, functioanl hunting gear. But, Sitka is designed to be a "layering" system. Those who have worn it as such, have seen and FELT the benefits of Sitka.

Each year Sitka continues to develop warmer, quieter, functionl clothing for the serious hunter.

It is more exoensive than other lessor brands. But, with Sitka...you get what you pay for. High quality, functional, superior hunting clothing for the demanding sportsman.

Sitka has greatly expanded their line and continues to do as such. We at Sitka are hoping to appeal to all hunters. The Sept elk hunter and the Dec treestand hunter. Our Gear is fully warrenteeed, highly functional and designed to be worn as a layering system. We welcome feedback (both positive and negative). We will continue to develop that best gear on the market.

Our desire is to be the best for all hunters. Sitka was started by (2) hard core trad bow hunters. But we are now mainstream with all hunters. However, with that said we will always remain loyal to our roots of hardcore trad bow hunters.

I suggest you give Sitka Gear a try and see for yourself why so many hunters/sportsman and outdoorman and woman have embraced Sitka Gear as their gear of choice.

For the record...This is no sales pitch!

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Re: Sitka gear?
« Reply #68 on: December 13, 2009, 11:09:00 PM »
I just bought a bunch of the Sitka clothing on sale from Cabela's for half price. I have been wearing mountaineering clothing for many years, having joined REI back in the 1960's when it was still a relatively small co-op for people who wanted the latest mountaineering equipment. Of course, there have been many advances in materials and designs over the years. Now all of that stuff is pretty mainstream with almost everyone I know wearing it. I feel like the song, "I was country when country wasn't cool".

I already had quite a bit of the mountaineering clothing and would wear it under my camo hunting gear. The problem was that almost no camo was truly state of the art in design and materials until Sitka Gear started making its products. Their biggest accomplishment was they created a "system" that incorporated existing technologies but designed them for use in hunting scenarios with camo patterns, pockets, layering, etc., that fit the needs of hunters. When you compare the Sitka Gear products to similar mountaineering clothing made by companies like The North Face, Mountain Hardwear, Cloudveil, Marmot, and others, the prices are similar. But most of the other companies are not making systems that are designed specifically to fit our needs as hunters. Browning has come out with a new system of hunter clothing that is very nice. I tried it on and the sales rep told me it was better than Sitka Gear, but I did not agree. If I had to pay retail for both brands, I might pick the Browning; however, at the half off sales price, I did not even think twice about the Browning when I ordered the Celcius bibs, vest and jacket, the 90% pants and jacket, the Traverse beanie, the Core top, and the ball cap. I would have ordered the Traverse top and bottom and the Core bottom, but they were out of stock. I did end up buying the Power Dry Polarfleece top and bottom made by Cabela's because it is similar to the Traverse top and bottom and will probably do fine. I figure if I need to strip down to just a lightweight top, the Core top will work fine, and I could layer it over another long underwear top if I needed a little extra warmth.

Admittedly, I have only tried on the Sitka Gear and wore it around outside for awhile this weekend. I have not hunted in it yet to see how it performs in the field, but based on having used mountaineering clothing in hunting environments and experiencing the way the Sitka Gear initially feels, I think it will be great. Not only that, I have talked to many people who have used the Sitka Gear, and the only complaints have been about warmth until people learned how to layer up. Well, I guess people complain about how much it costs too, and that is a legitimate concern.

I wanted the Sitka Gear for things like elk, moose, sheep, bear and other cool/cold weather hunting where I will either be very active or need to travel by aircraft to get there. I need to have all my hunting clothing fit into a reasonable space, whether in the bags that will be going into limited space on an aircraft (especially bush planes) or will be put into my backpack to transport to a fly camp or to carry on my daily hunting treks. Some wool, like long underwear, caps, gloves, or other small items work well in those situations, but most wool outer garments get bulky and heavy. There are various problems with other clothing too, which is why the mountaineering folks started creating clothing for those conditions. Would I spend the kind of money it takes to buy all the Sitka Gear just to drive my car to an area to hunt for deer, hogs or other animals, particularly when I was normally hunting from a tree stand or a ground blind? Heck no! I'm not sure that the current Sitka Gear would even be the best clothing for the job under those circumstances.

I appreciate the input from Curt, JC and many others here on TradGang about their experiences with Sitka Gear. What they say is very similar to what I hear from everyone else I have talked to about the clothing, but it is nice to have people I trust confirming my impressions. I bet my 1/2 off purchases of Sitka Gear from Cabela's are about as good as what the "pro-staffers" paid for theirs. I know JC and can personally confirm he would not say anything about Sitka Gear that wasn't factually true, and I believe Curt is the same. I doubt I will be alive 40 years from now like Steve O, and I definitely will not be hunting by then, but it is good to know that Steve thinks the Sitka Gear will last that long.

Arrowslinger, I am 6'1" and weigh 185 pounds and large regular length fits me perfectly in all the Sitka Gear clothing. The large regular pants have an inseam of 32" and the large long pants have an inseam of 34". In jeans I wear 34"w x 34"l, but the large regular Sitka Gear pants (both the Celcius bibs and the 90% pants) at 32" fit perfectly. At 6'3" you would probably want the long pants unless you are long-waisted.

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Re: Sitka gear?
« Reply #69 on: December 13, 2009, 11:59:00 PM »
Peter, Curt, Steve O,

I have recently made the Sitka Gear switch. Low weight and high mobility are the reason I love the stuff.
I need a recommendation for the bottom half of me, as I can't quite figure out from Sitka's system on their website which pants/bibs are the best for my particular use. I hunt in Texas where I live, and during deer season I need to be warm while stand hunting (tree or Double Bull on the ground) from 10-50 degrees F, so I bought a Jetstream Jacket and Kelvin vest. I wear Under Armour next to my skin, then Patagonia expedition weight Capilene top and bottoms over that, then the Kelvin vest, then the Jetstream jacket. I just was sitting in the Double Bull at 19F last Friday with slightly cold toes and fingers, that's it. I was not using especially warm gloves or boots either. Moved to a treestand in the early PM, and got snowed on. Maybe a tad chilly on my arms.  

I need the Sitka bib or pant that can do it all. I can't figure it out....should I get the Celsius, Stormfront or Coldfront to protect the bottom half of me? How do I differentiate between the 3 pants systems?

I'd love an answer from a Sitka expert! Thanks!

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(I'm also planning an outermost layer jacket and hat in 2010.....and I am selling all my hardcore Patagonia shells and layering systems since Sitka works exactly the same)
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Re: Sitka gear?
« Reply #70 on: December 14, 2009, 08:29:00 AM »
Lots of good info on these post I am sure having Sitka pro staff reading and posting here will only help to improve the Sitka clothing line even more.I wore the 90% pants, 90% jacket, Celcius vest,Traverse zip shirt, and Traverse full fast mask all weekend and about 4 hrs of heavy fog/light rain and temps from 20 to almost 70 degrees by Sunday afternoon. I stayed dry and happy temp wise all weekend while I walked, stalked, and climbed into a few stands and sat for a hour or so every so often.I must have walked 10 miles over the last two days I am sore today!

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Re: Sitka gear?
« Reply #71 on: December 14, 2009, 10:17:00 AM »
I could see getting the jacket and pants for the early season, but I'm just to cheap to buy the whole "system".  I like to use clothes I already have to layer with, polypro, light or mid weight fleece, wool etc.  Personally I can't justify $80 for a ployester baselayer, made in china? when I can get military poly for $20

I like the cut and fit of the outer layers and think that is the best aspect of this stuff.

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Re: Sitka gear?
« Reply #72 on: December 14, 2009, 02:24:00 PM »
I tend to agree with you the only core layer Sitka itms I have were a Christmas gifts you can get some real nice lite,mid,heavy weight polartec base layers for $20 or less a item. I bought the outer layers 90% and Celcuis on sale myself also. The one under layer item I might pay for is the Traverse Zip shirt I really like mine alot and the hand warmer type sleeve with thumb hole is a cool feature I use that shirt all the time.

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Re: Sitka gear?
« Reply #73 on: December 14, 2009, 03:55:00 PM »
I sat in a tree stand for 12 hours last Friday. The morning temperature was 8 degrees, it rose to 15 by 5:00 PM. I was wearing Sitka core, 2 traverse shirts, 2007 vest, Kelvin Jacket and 2009 Celsius Jacket. For the bottom I wore core layer, 2008 Celsius bib, and 2007  90% Pants. The reason I put the dates on there is because Sitka has been evolving and some of the products are no longer available, but made from diffrent material.

I also wore 2 hats and 2 face masks. Your heat may not leave out of the top of your head any faster than other exposed body parts, but it often gets over looked. I see guys wearing 4 or 5 layers on their body core and only a single hat on their top-not... and then wonder why they got cold. I called Friday a 4 hat day.... but the wind was slight.
Sure I got cold a little from time to time, but I work my way through it by wiggling toes and pulling fingers back into my gloves etc. I rarely sit for less than 6 hours, and all day sits have been my most productive technique for whitetails.

Oh yes.... I saw 17 does & fawns, and 9 diffrent bucks. I did not shoot anything, but I know the  the big guy I'm after is still out there. Ha! Mike

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Re: Sitka gear?
« Reply #74 on: December 14, 2009, 04:09:00 PM »
I'd die of boredom before the weather got me through my Sitka system......
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Re: Sitka gear?
« Reply #75 on: December 14, 2009, 04:32:00 PM »
The last item I purchased for my Idaho elk hunt was a base layer 1/4 zip top. Picked it up at what used to be the Sportsmans Warehouse in Missoula. I probobly was set with what I had, but after having just finished Mike's book and his endorsment of the Sitka gear I thought I would be remiss if I didn't try it under full on conditions. It certainly was spendy, I'll say that. But it was pretty darn hot the first few days(close to 90*) and the one day I wore an older duafold I found out the difference. If I hunted all out west I'd have the whole shabangy, but I would not pay the top retail price like I did, I have since seen many better prices on line. One thing I'd like to add is that I tried a little experiment on our coldest morning(22*) was wearing the lighter weight Ullfrotte underneath the Sitka and I think I may have found the most comfortable, breathable combo to get me to the top in the cold hours of the morning. Afternoon warmed up pretty good and I took off the Ulfrotte and was pretty amazed that the whole thing was bone dry-neat trick!! The lesson I learned is that the guys that have walked the walk are to be listened to, thanks Mike!
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« Reply #76 on: December 14, 2009, 07:01:00 PM »
I miss the padded knees in my King of the Mountain wool, so Sitka is taking the suggestion seriously and we should see padding in the pant next year for stalking and crawling up on game. Also, I have voiced my concern with Sitka that I think they lost a little ground in the noise department when I compare the Down Pour and Nimbus Rain Gear from 07 & 08 to the Storm Front rain gear of 09. I hope the 2010 line of rain gear is a little quieter, since a lot of us use it as a wind breaker and protection in wet willow and dwarf birch brush not just when it rains and there is a muffled effect. They should consider noise factor in all of the line if it is to be used as hunting gear. We try to help.

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Re: Sitka gear?
« Reply #77 on: December 14, 2009, 10:56:00 PM »
Herdbull, I knew you were a man, but an all-dayer in that kind of weather.  Wow.  

The durability factor is a hard thing for many to see in a short year or two or three unless you hunt HARD and A LOT.  I get in 80-100 deer hunts alone every year (at 83 right now this year), plus scouting/shed hunting/fishing/turkeys/etc.  And the last three years have been in Sitka, and the gear just seems to wear like iron.  Steve O's claim that the stuff will still be around 20+ years is probably right.  And when played out that long, the cost becomes much more manageable.  My goal is to be able to put together some cash for the Kelvin jacket for next year.

I bought some Zeiss binoculars in 1987 and they're still serving me well today.  At the time I was a poor young guy but had a connection to get factory second Zeiss's.  Even then, the price was outlandish for me and I really debated that purchase.  I figure how many times I've used 'em since that day and it's well below a dime each time, probably close to a nickel.  Good quality gear lasts.
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Re: Sitka gear?
« Reply #78 on: December 14, 2009, 11:15:00 PM »
Yeah I dropped $1200 on my 10X50s Leicas back in 1999 and since added some 10X40 military Leicas in 08, they are lighter to carry. Outfitted my Sendero 300 WinMag  with a German made Zeiss Diavari 3-9X40 and I never shoot it since the Widows came to stay at my house......yes freakin' expensive, but worth every penny and I'll never need to replace these optics, my Widows, or Sitka Gear.
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Re: Sitka gear?
« Reply #79 on: December 14, 2009, 11:15:00 PM »
Gosh, Bryce, there aren't many people who hunt 25% of the days each year! Way to go.

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