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Author Topic: Carbon or Aluminum Arrows  (Read 1028 times)

Offline Grassman34

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Carbon or Aluminum Arrows
« on: December 16, 2009, 11:24:00 AM »
Which type of arrows would you recommend for a Newbie!!  Which will be easier to tune?  Which are more durable? What size for 29" arrow with 51# @ 27" draw.
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Offline George D. Stout

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Re: Carbon or Aluminum Arrows
« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2009, 11:32:00 AM »
A 600 carbon or a 1916 aluminum.  A 2016 aluminum may also work well at 29".

I like aluminum since the sizes are readily available to match spines to weight and length without front loading to soften the shaft.  If you want to front load, go with a 29", 600 carbon, and try about 200 to 250 grains up front.

Offline Terry Green

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Re: Carbon or Aluminum Arrows
« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2009, 11:37:00 AM »
Carbon are much more durable for me....

AND easier to tune....for me.  I don't even have to tune them....just cut them 29" BOP and they shoot out of everything own.

I use Arrow Dymanics from all my bows ranging from 55 to 70 pounds with bhead weight ranges from 150 to 225 grains.

My STOCK carbons weigh more that the aluminums I use to use....so don't buy the broad brush statements that they are all light weight.
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Offline Night Wing

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Re: Carbon or Aluminum Arrows
« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2009, 11:44:00 AM »
I also like aluminum arrows. They're easy to tune and I tune them by using Stu Miller's free Dynamic Spine Calculator program. It will give you a tunalble aluminum arrow without a  lot of experimentation. This program also does wood and carbon arrows. The DSC program is opened up automatically with Excel or the free Open Office progam.  

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Offline LAR43

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Re: Carbon or Aluminum Arrows
« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2009, 11:53:00 AM »
Carbons are tougher. But you're going to pay a little more for the toughness.
Gold Tip blem's are pretty reasonable if you're starting out & are making your own.
As regards arrow size, it depends on your draw length & the weight of your bow at that length.
If as you wrote, you draw 27" & your bow is #51, somewhere around 29" would be close. Longer won't hurt. As you tune, you can shorten the arrow about 1/4 inch at a time until you get good flight. You want to leave at least an inch before the back of the point for knuckle clearance in front of the shelf when you're at full draw.

If Gold Tips, I'd start with 35/55 shafts & a 125 gr. field point. As you shorten them you're going to get closer to the #55 number which should bring you near what you're looking for. You can experiment with flight & tuning by going up or down in point weight.
Some will also recommend 55/75's & add weight up front until you achieve satisfactory flight.
It's all part of the fun!! Be patient & enjoy yourself!  :thumbsup:  

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Offline Jerry Jeffer

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Re: Carbon or Aluminum Arrows
« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2009, 11:54:00 AM »
Ever since I got turned on to Arrow Dynamics Carbon arrows... they are all I use. Like Terry, just start shooting them. I cut to 30" I like the hammer heads. I'm putting any thing from 125 to 200 up front and can shoot them out of all my bows.
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Offline bornagainbowhunter

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Re: Carbon or Aluminum Arrows
« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2009, 11:55:00 AM »
I like to shoot all types of arrows.  One of my friends has a bow that will not shoot a carbon arrow well at all. He tried spine, weight, legnth, and other changes, but they just did not work out like a wood or aluminum shaft would.  

Myself, I just like the pretty bright feathers...  :knothead:    :biglaugh:
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Offline ronnyg

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Re: Carbon or Aluminum Arrows
« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2009, 05:10:00 PM »
carbons are going to last longer and will not bend

Offline lpcjon2

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Re: Carbon or Aluminum Arrows
« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2009, 07:13:00 PM »
I did a post a week ago called carbon vs aluminum vs wood check it out!
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Offline ishoot4thrills

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Re: Carbon or Aluminum Arrows
« Reply #9 on: December 16, 2009, 07:27:00 PM »
Check my signature....it should be very close to your stats. Perfect arrow flight for me.
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Offline ishoot4thrills

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Re: Carbon or Aluminum Arrows
« Reply #10 on: December 16, 2009, 07:31:00 PM »
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Originally posted by bornagainbowhunter:
I like to shoot all types of arrows.  One of my friends has a bow that will not shoot a carbon arrow well at all. He tried spine, weight, legnth, and other changes, but they just did not work out like a wood or aluminum shaft would.  

Myself, I just like the pretty bright feathers...    :knothead:        :biglaugh:  
Perhaps your friend would do better with a different spine carbon arrow? Never knew a bow that just wouldn't shoot a carbon arrow well at all. If you find the correct spine carbon arrow for the bow, a carbon arrow isn't any different than any other arrow material, as far as tuning goes. There is a correctly spined carbon arrow made for virtually any bow. You just have to experiment until you find the right combination of point weight, length, etc.
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Ten Strand D10 String
Kanati Bow Quiver
35/55 Gold Tip Pink Nugents @ 30"
3 X 5" Feathers
19.9% FOC
49# @ 26.75"
165 FPS @ 10.4 GPP (510 gr. hunting arrow)
171 FPS @ 9.7 GPP (475 gr. 3D arrow)
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Offline Gordon martiniuk

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Re: Carbon or Aluminum Arrows
« Reply #11 on: December 16, 2009, 09:46:00 PM »
CARBON IS THE BEST tough and recover faster than wood or aluminum oh yea! no straighting!!!
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Re: Carbon or Aluminum Arrows
« Reply #12 on: December 16, 2009, 10:03:00 PM »
I hve used alums. for thirty years and have no reason to complain.  Have only tried carbons a couple of times didn't like having to fool with point weight.  I need to be more open minded and give them a honest chance, old ways seem to die hard.

Offline Gapmaster

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Re: Carbon or Aluminum Arrows
« Reply #13 on: December 16, 2009, 10:14:00 PM »
Aluminums and wood for me. Don't really know why, I own them all. I guess they just seem less confusing and more stable in my opinion. And I hate carbon splinters.  :)
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Offline Horner

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Re: Carbon or Aluminum Arrows
« Reply #14 on: December 17, 2009, 12:34:00 AM »
I shot some carbons one time.  The next day I had some ordered and put my aluminum's and woody's up for sale.  

They shoot like darts out of all my bows.

I ordered some gold tip blems from Big Jim.  I never looked back, I really love these carbons.

Also want to say another good thing about carbons, well really it is a fellow tradgangers statement that I shoot with all the time.

"Carbons are either strait or they are broke."
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Re: Carbon or Aluminum Arrows
« Reply #15 on: December 17, 2009, 03:34:00 AM »
As a year long newbie, nothing pisses you off more than a bent aluminum arrow! I would rather have my arrow break than bend....it's just an insult! LOL!

I have had 1 Gold Tip for months and I just can't seem to break it....go figure!?!?

I'm about to order some wood AND carbons for 2 different bows. I just would rather them break than bend.

Give those Gold Tips a run...You'll like them!
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Offline saumensch

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Re: Carbon or Aluminum Arrows
« Reply #16 on: December 17, 2009, 03:53:00 AM »
i can just second the opinion of fido dog,
at the beginning you will hit things you dont wanna hit, and aluminiums will bend, and you perhaps wont even notice and you will wonder why youre not hitting what you want anymore etc.
been there done that.

and there are carbons like the cx heritages that are nearly as consistent in spine as alus and are even heavier/ the same.
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Offline Freebooter

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Re: Carbon or Aluminum Arrows
« Reply #17 on: December 17, 2009, 09:33:00 AM »
I shoot a longbow mostly but also have a recurve, both 60lbs, but  I have both wood and aluminum arrows. I mainly shoot aluminum arrows and agree with Byron Fergason as to why he went to aluminum arrows.
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Re: Carbon or Aluminum Arrows
« Reply #18 on: December 19, 2009, 07:29:00 AM »
I have shot carbon arrows out of trad bows for years and wouldn't consider anything else. My arrows weigh anywhere from 785g to 950g and fly perfect, or at least as good as I can shoot them.
I have shot a 785 g carbon express out of a 84# bow dead into a steel saw blade only to have it bounce back at me unharmed. Well that was the first shot. The second shot, I shoved the insert back about 3/4". I just can't hit that hole in the saw blade  @#$%@#$. I probably have 200 field tips stuck in the trees around my 3D range and seldom ever a damaged shaft. Oh yeah, I never ever bent one either.
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Re: Carbon or Aluminum Arrows
« Reply #19 on: December 19, 2009, 07:45:00 AM »
35/55 Gold tip Blems are all I shoot. Reasonably priced, pretty durable and never bent. 100 grain brass inserts up front in addition to my 125 grain broadhead. Weighting up the front really made a noticeable difference in penetration and is worth the time and the extra cost IMHO.
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