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Author Topic: glue for field tips?  (Read 792 times)

Offline sdpeb1

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glue for field tips?
« on: December 31, 2009, 08:54:00 PM »
Just finished up some wood arrows and wondering what glue to get for the field pts and nocks. I don't have a shop near by so I'll have to get it at HomeDepot. Can you  use the glue from a glue gun? thanks- Steve

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Re: glue for field tips?
« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2009, 08:58:00 PM »
Glue from a glue gun will get brittle and come loose in cold weather.  For the nocks I just use super glue or something similar.  As for the points I've had the best luck with fer-l-tite, although I have used super glue for points in a pinch but I wouldn't suggest it.

Offline Grey Taylor

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Re: glue for field tips?
« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2009, 09:04:00 PM »
My procedure is Duco on nocks and 12 minute epoxy on points.
Regardless of what glue you choose for the points, be sure to thoroughly degrease them before gluing them to the arrow.

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Offline Mike Most

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Re: glue for field tips?
« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2009, 09:04:00 PM »
I use fer-l-tite for the field points and I use duco for the nocks. They dont come loose in the summer heat, you may not have that problem.

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Re: glue for field tips?
« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2009, 09:30:00 PM »
Can you get fer-l-tite and a hardware store or HomeDepot? I'm thinking I need something I can take off as I might have to cut these arrow down untill I find what length they shoot best at.- Steve

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Re: glue for field tips?
« Reply #5 on: December 31, 2009, 09:36:00 PM »
It would probably have to be a hobby specialty store for the fer-l-tite. It is put on with heat and will come off with heat. Candles work, so does a propane torch, or an alcohol burner.

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Re: glue for field tips?
« Reply #6 on: December 31, 2009, 09:41:00 PM »
Ferrl-Tite is not available at the regular hardware store. It's essentially an archery-only product. For hot melt at a hardware store, get the yellow high strength stuff. It's a good compromise.
And, just so you know, a point affixed with epoxy may be removed with heat just as easily as one that is glued with hot melt. It may take a little more heat, but not much.
An advantage with hot melt is not having to give a cure time before you can use the arrow. An advantage with epoxy is possibly better adhesion and not having to juggle a flame, a hot point, pliers, and molten glue.

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Re: glue for field tips?
« Reply #7 on: December 31, 2009, 09:43:00 PM »
Thanks Grey that's exactly what I needed to know.-Steve

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Re: glue for field tips?
« Reply #8 on: December 31, 2009, 09:44:00 PM »
Steve, you won't find ferr-l-tite at the hardware store.  If you use the generic hot melt, get the hi temp or amber stuff, and some extra points as you are liable to loose a few.  Ferr-l-tite is good and I've had good service from the Kimsha hot melt, too.  You'll have to order them from one of the trad suppliers.  Good Luck!
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Offline Mark 507

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Re: glue for field tips?
« Reply #9 on: December 31, 2009, 11:03:00 PM »
I have had good luck with gorilla glue (you can get it anywhere) but I have not tried to remove it with heat so I don't know if you can or not.

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Re: glue for field tips?
« Reply #10 on: December 31, 2009, 11:58:00 PM »
For just determining arrow length, I wouldn’t be overly particular, if I could recover the points…but the higher strength hot melt would be preferable if that's all you can get.

Ferr-L-tite is not that expensive so it would be my personal recommendation for future use. When it’s time for mounting broadheads you can more easily get them adjusted to spinning true by simply reapplying heat.  Rick.

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Re: glue for field tips?
« Reply #11 on: January 01, 2010, 05:52:00 PM »
i have had good luck with glue gun sticks and quite the opposite results with ferrel-tite. I have been using the gluegun sticks and torch to apply with good results in cold weather or hot and you can take them off when you want by re-heating. For the nocks i have always used fletch-tite but i normally dip my arrows with fletch-lac.
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Re: glue for field tips?
« Reply #12 on: January 01, 2010, 06:01:00 PM »
Ferrel cement from a fishing tackle shop (they use it on tips for fishing rods)for the points and Duco on the nocks.You want to be able to get the tips off if you need to.3R has a good show me video on putting on broadheads and points.
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Re: glue for field tips?
« Reply #13 on: January 01, 2010, 06:24:00 PM »
Home Depot in Canada carries the "Arrow" brand of hot melt. Have used it for years and have never had anything come apart. Even use it to glue inserts into carbons. Never had one come out, even when buried into a tree - on purpose of course. I don't use hot melt on nocks though, find Loctite 406 (a type of instant glue) to work the best with all arrow shaft types. 406 will also attach feathers to any shaft permanently and quickly.

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Re: glue for field tips?
« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2010, 02:59:00 AM »
Jerseyboy is right...
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Re: glue for field tips?
« Reply #15 on: January 03, 2010, 05:23:00 AM »
After a lot of experimenting, I wasn't thrilled with any of the alternatives available. They all seemed to have drawbacks. Being in the leather and vinyl restoration business for 20 years, I decided to fall back on different adhesives and methods that had proven themselves in the past.
I wanted a glue that would  adhere to unlike  materials.
By trial and error I settled on a water based super glue that will work on most any surface, giving a flexible water resistant bond.
Goes on white and dries clear.
I use it for nocks, points, and have even started using it for fletching.
After 3 months I'm sold on it.
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Re: glue for field tips?
« Reply #16 on: January 03, 2010, 06:08:00 AM »
Golf club epoxy.  It's made to take a hit and works well.
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Re: glue for field tips?
« Reply #17 on: January 03, 2010, 10:01:00 AM »
For points:
Make sure the inside of the points gets really clean before you try to use any glue (I use ferr-l-tite, but a lot of other glues will work OK). I soak my new points in soapy water, and then in denatured alcohol, and scrub the inside of them thoroughly with an alcohol soaked q-tip -- changing q-tips until one comes out clean. This extra step is worth the time and trouble. No glue will stick reliably to the dirt and oil that is inside points when they are new.

For nocks:
I use duco. It works very well.

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Re: glue for field tips?
« Reply #18 on: January 03, 2010, 10:24:00 AM »
I like to be able to change my points and epoxy or other permanent glues are not good for that.
Hot melt is great and it will hold...even the cheap stuff, but you have to know how to use it.

Only enough to go around the taper of the arrow in a thin film...not a glob of it on the side or in the point.  Make sure the points have been heated to eliminate the release solution from within the taper.  It's pretty simple really.

Thin skin of hot melt, heat the point enough to start onto the taper, then heat some more to melt the glue and make the bond by twisting the head onto the wood taper...a tad more heat..the push the tip on a solid surface to seat, and twist with fingers until they don't move.

Points need to come off easily with heat to change them....if you need epoxy, you don't know how to use hot melt properly.  Done properly they will not come off with regular shooting.

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Re: glue for field tips?
« Reply #19 on: January 03, 2010, 12:49:00 PM »
Epoxy - have used 5 minute rapid and the slower one, which cures in 24 h. Good results - do prefer the rapid one though.
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