Question about carbons

[TA]

I started a thread the other day regarding FMJ, and received several good respondes. I've been shooting 2117's with good results,but was wanting to try something different. Was thinking about the easton nano's with the hit insert system. I think these would be tougher and cheaper than the FMJ. My question is I'm shooting a BW that is 52# @ 30in. would need a 31in. arrow, with 125gr. up front, would I need the 400's, and would I need to add any weight up front.

 Thanks TA

[Jason R. Wesbrock]

I just put a 2117 and an Easton .400 carbon on my spine tester and they basically had the same static spine – around 87#. According to the Easton web site, 2117s have a spine deflection of .407.

 http://www.eastonarchery.com/products/product/10

That being said, the heavier shaft weight of the 2117 will make it act slightly stiffer (dynamic spine versus static spine) than the carbon shaft. The difference may not even be noticeable. So yes, a .400 carbon would be a good starting point. Worse case scenario, you may have to use a very slightly heavier head, but not much.

[TA]

Thats why I posted the question here,so many knowlable people.This carbon thing is kinda new to me. Been shooting alum. forever. Figured it's about time I give them a try.
 Thanks again TA

[TA]

TTT

[Steve O]

TA,

Jason has given you just about everything you need.  400s are the ones; start long and cut them down if you need them stiffer with the point weight you have chosen.  They are easy.

[Ragnarok Forge]

Jason,

400's are going to be way stiff.  I am shooting 500's out of a 55lb at 30.25 inch draw length longbow and they spine out stiff without 300 to 400 grains up front at full length.  400's will need a ton of weight to spine out right.

[Steve O]

RF,

Jason is right on.  Longbows require a weaker arrow, that is why you need 500s.  All my 55#-60 lb recurves shoot 340s.  Black Widows are cut past center and can tolerate an even stiffer spine than most recurves.  400s should be right on for him.

[Jason R. Wesbrock]

Lowell,

If his 2117s are flying fine, 400s would be the correct shaft for him (they're the same spine). Personally, I shoot 340's with 125-grain tips out of a 56# @ 32" recurve and they bare shaft perfectly.

[Shawn Leonard]

Yup, Jason has it right and I could add with pretty much certanty that TA will need roughly 150 to 175 up front. Shawn

[DEATHMASTER]

So if I see this right if I wanted to shoot carbons from a 55# 28"draw recurve(Schafer)
and use a 125 grain head than I should look at
340 spine?
Tim

[Shawn Leonard]

No DM you would want to look at a 29" 400 spine with 200-225 up front as that 2"s or so shorter than 31"s stiffens a carbon up quite a bit. Shawn

[DEATHMASTER]

Thanks.
Can you buy different mounts for the heads to go on?
Only been a wood guy.
Tim

[Steve O]

Tim,

I left out that I draw my 55#s (some are Silvertips) 29.5" so they are closer to 60# and I use full length 340s for perfect broadhead flight with 125 grainers.  If you are drawing 28 and you want a short arrow, you are better off with 400s.

[FerretWYO]

I am drawing 28 on a 57lbs long bow shooting a 30.5 inch arrow. I have a 100 grain brass insert and a 125 grain tip. That is shooting perfect for me. Like Shawn and jason have said. I would look at adding some weight up front.

Randy

[8leg-lover]

I have a 60" 51# Snowshoe Reflex/Deflex longbow, a 66" 55# Emerson hill style longbow, and a 56" 55# BW SAG and am shooting the same arrow out of all three. My draw length is 27".

Arrow Specs. 29' Easton Axis 500 with two standard HIT inserts up front plus 200 grain field point/broadhead. Three 4" shield cut feathers in back. I tested and tweeked for some time to come up with this set up that performs extremely well (for me). I feel that I have found the best all around arrow with this setup. My Widow is blasting this arrow at 204fps, the Snowshoe is at 197fps, and I have'nt chronoed the Emerson yet. The flight is great and penetration is extreme which I believe is due to the small diameter of the axis(meaning less surface area, so that means less drag both in flight and in target/meat. This set up also has a 23% FOC which I think helps in all aspects of the arrow considering its light weight(485 grains).

Just my two cents, Carl

[TA]

Thanks guys, sounds like the 400's will work. Thankful you fellows that have done worked out all the bugs. Makes it easier for us that have never shot carbons.

 Thank You

[DEATHMASTER]

That is the part that is hard to understand some.
One says x+x+x shoots great next o+o+o is great.
All the differnt ways to load the front.
Need to think about getting differnt weights and cutting lenght ect....
I know the playing with them is the fun part for some but I am a K.I.S.S. person.
Still would like to try and make some work for my 55# 28"draw recurve.

Tim
DEATHMASTER

[TA]

Thats why I've shot alum. for all these years.

[Earl Jeff]

400's

[Jack Whitmire Jr]

Even though the spine sounds correct and looks correct :

I wouldn't go buy myself a full dozen, I would get 1 and try it .

I have found that different people require different carbon  arrrows.

I have sold 3 dozen arrows that were the wrong spine due to this over the past 2 weeks.

Jack