have I got some pants for you...order yourself a pair of fleece camo pants from the Company "Nimrod"...I use their binocular harness system, and love it so much that I thought they must make a great pair of pants too...well, after paying $70 or so, they arrived...I couldn't believe it...they not only had no pockets, there wasn't even a ZIPPER...and belt loops? what kind of crazy hunter wants BELT LOOPS on their pants??!? I was late for an Elk hunt, so I wore them anyway, and I have never been so disgusted in a piece of clothing...I am in the process of scavenging from an old pair of GI BDU's, and adding pockets, zipper, belt loops, and more pockets...too bad I already started, I would have made you a deal you couldn't refuse...