Thanks for the responses, guys. I didn't see them listed on either site. I have already bought arrows from Ted, and they were great. I called Paul at Badger arrow, just because it was first alphabetically. He doesn't stock them but said he could get them. He had some Nitro Stinger gold in stock, so I got 1/2 dozen of those to see if they will work. If I cut them to 30 1/4", use the brass inserts and 300 grain tips I'll be just a little under 10 gpp with arrows that are around 725 grains and a little over 26% FOC. Actually the FOC will be higher than that due to the taper. Ought to get the job done as long as they are stiff enough to handle the weight up front. Should work on the longbows and hopefully I don't have to build out the sideplate on my widow. I'd love to hear about other people's experience with the big game shafts.