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Author Topic: What’s the difference in the two ACS-CX bows made by different bowers?  (Read 634 times)

Offline raideranch

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What’s the difference in the two ACS-CX bows made by different bowers?
« on: January 28, 2010, 01:03:00 AM »
Why does O.L. Adcock and Larry Havard both produce the ACS-CX, one from New Mexico and one from Michigan?  If O.L. designed the limb why did Larry patent the design?
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Offline Jerry Wald

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Re: What’s the difference in the two ACS-CX bows made by different bowers?
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2010, 01:08:00 AM »
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Offline Jerry Wald

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Re: What’s the difference in the two ACS-CX bows made by different bowers?
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2010, 01:09:00 AM »
I do know that OL is working on a completely NEW DESIGN for the Grizzly Stik for Alaska Bowhunters outfit though.

Jer Bear
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Offline Cherokee Scout

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Re: What’s the difference in the two ACS-CX bows made by different bowers?
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2010, 07:04:00 AM »
O.L. invented the limbs, made a lot of bows. Then he sold rights to A&H a couple of years ago.
I have had several of each.
I believe there was one other bowyer making the ACX CS limbs for O.L. for a short time, but that stopped.
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Re: What’s the difference in the two ACS-CX bows made by different bowers?
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2010, 07:33:00 AM »
the difference? wasnt it something like...one had a 2 yr wait and one had a 2wk wait??? bob morrison produced bows for a short time with the acs limb.
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Re: What’s the difference in the two ACS-CX bows made by different bowers?
« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2010, 08:28:00 AM »
OL and John Havard were partners in the business for a long time.  The business grew beyond OLs capabilities to build the bows and a huge waiting list developed.  John grew the business with A&H and OL choose to go a different direction.

John has always held the patent to the limb design.  

I believe OL builds a few bows still but spends most on his time with model airplanes.

John and A&H have taken the ACX to a level well beyond the bows built earlier.  I know because I worked for OL and John and built many of the one piece bows back in the day.

Mike
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Re: What’s the difference in the two ACS-CX bows made by different bowers?
« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2010, 09:20:00 AM »
Mike got it right.

I formed the original company with O.L. back in 2002.  The company needed to grow in order to meet demand but O.L. wanted to only build a few bows per year.  I needed it to become a real business instead of a hobby.  

In an effort to expand production we briefly contracted Bob Morrison and, later, Mike & Jason Westvang to build a few bows for us.  The three of them were a great help but A&H needed to build its own bows and needed a better business model in order to reach its potential.

So, O.L. and I agreed to part ways.  I would own all rights to the patent (that I had written and paid for), and O.L. would have the right to build a limited number of bows incorporating ACS technology per year under a licensing agreement with the new A&H Archery.  He would be responsible for completing all of the bows on order at that time, but if people on his waiting list wanted to switch over and have the new A&H build their bow for them they could.  It would be their option.  

In January of 2006 the original A&H Archery, LLC (a New Mexico company) was closed down and the new company, A&H Archery, Inc. (a Michigan Corporation) was simultaneously started.  I took a new partner, Larry Hanify.  Larry and I now jointly own A&H Archery.  We pride ourselves on filling orders in a timely fashion and providing excellent customer service.  

We have made improvements to the original ACS design, are continually testing new ideas and designs, and benefit from the precision of using a CNC machine.  Precise alignment, limb shaping, and riser shaping all enable us to build the best ACS bows that have ever been built.  Perhaps I'm biased but that's my honest opinion.

As the R&D guy I can guarantee that we're continually developing new ACS bows and testing them extensively.  Next year's bows will have been in the field being shot for at least two years prior to being introduced.  Our product line will continue to grow over time as we prove up each new design.
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Re: What’s the difference in the two ACS-CX bows made by different bowers?
« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2010, 09:51:00 AM »
I have to try one of these sometime.  hard when your a lefty.
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Re: What’s the difference in the two ACS-CX bows made by different bowers?
« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2010, 12:18:00 PM »
Larry
Thanks for clearing up the confusion.  Your bows are the best.  Thanks
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Re: What’s the difference in the two ACS-CX bows made by different bowers?
« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2010, 02:30:00 PM »
You couldn't ask for a better product or a better group of people to deal with than the current A&H Archery owned by John and Larry...
We are extremely lucky to have them in our midst!
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Re: What’s the difference in the two ACS-CX bows made by different bowers?
« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2010, 08:22:00 PM »
:clapper:    :clapper:    :clapper:    :clapper:
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Re: What’s the difference in the two ACS-CX bows made by different bowers?
« Reply #11 on: January 28, 2010, 08:31:00 PM »
It's nice to here the facts right from the source.  :thumbsup:    :archer:
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Offline Cherokee Scout

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Re: What’s the difference in the two ACS-CX bows made by different bowers?
« Reply #12 on: January 28, 2010, 08:59:00 PM »
Great input guys, I appreciate the information.
And.......I really like the ASC CX bows.
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Re: What’s the difference in the two ACS-CX bows made by different bowers?
« Reply #13 on: January 28, 2010, 10:44:00 PM »
i have a older adcock acs 3 pice would the new limbs fit?
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Re: What’s the difference in the two ACS-CX bows made by different bowers?
« Reply #14 on: January 29, 2010, 04:55:00 AM »
Thanx John, keep up the great work bud    :thumbsup:
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Re: What’s the difference in the two ACS-CX bows made by different bowers?
« Reply #15 on: January 29, 2010, 09:29:00 AM »
Great people and one of my very favorite longbows to shoot!
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