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Author Topic: Why make it so dang difficult?  (Read 688 times)

Offline Covey

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Why make it so dang difficult?
« on: January 30, 2010, 04:12:00 PM »
All this talk hear lately about EFOC,right or left helical, stike plates, dynamic spine, etc..etc.. I been at this for a few years now and you guy's make my head spin but if I was a new guy I would not know which way was up! cut us some slack! WOW! Jason

Offline acadian archer

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Re: Why make it so dang difficult?
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2010, 04:24:00 PM »
I keep mine simple. I shoot 10 gr.#, a sharp broadhead and the arrows fly right.
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Offline 30coupe

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Re: Why make it so dang difficult?
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2010, 04:24:00 PM »
Jason,

In case you haven't figured it out, this is what we do between hunting seasons. Don't take it too seriously. Any newbies can ask questions and get great answers that won't blow their minds.

Relax! All this other stuff just keeps some of us entertained until we can get back into the woods.
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Re: Why make it so dang difficult?
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2010, 04:30:00 PM »
Kiss( keep it simple stup&%) is still the easiest way to go.   :thumbsup:
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Offline iacornfed

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Re: Why make it so dang difficult?
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2010, 04:31:00 PM »
Technique and style are like opinions. Take them with a grain of salt. Choose what info works for you and use it. All this info given out just proves that there is no "one correct way"! As you get a little more experienced you too will will be giving out advice of a technical nature as well. Just don't get upset when someone Else's opinion differs from your own. So take small bites of the info and run with it! Enjoy yourself!
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Offline vtmtnman

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Re: Why make it so dang difficult?
« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2010, 04:35:00 PM »
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Originally posted by 30coupe:
Jason,

In case you haven't figured it out, this is what we do between hunting seasons. Don't take it too seriously. Any newbies can ask questions and get great answers that won't blow their minds.

Relax! All this other stuff just keeps some of us entertained until we can get back into the woods.
    ;)    

Russ
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Offline ishoot4thrills

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Re: Why make it so dang difficult?
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2010, 04:44:00 PM »
C'mon now Covey, don't you strive for better arrow flight when your results are less than desirable? Is it not human nature to improve on what we have until it's the way we need/want it to be? When you were a teenager, didn't you tinker around with your car engine just to get it to go a little bit faster or run better? It's the same with trad archery as much as anything else, especially when you hunt with your bow. If you can get a little better penetration on that whitetail just by tinkering with your side plate or adding a little extra weight to the end of your arrow, isn't it worth it instead of buying new arrows or something else expensive? Lighten up a bit!   :)    ;)
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Offline reddogge

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Re: Why make it so dang difficult?
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2010, 05:03:00 PM »
I've found there are "techies" in all hobbies and they just enjoy fiddling around with the technical stuff.  Some of it I read and most of it I ignore but they seem to enjoy it and talking about it.

I'm an old dog and like to check out the new tricks sometimes.
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Offline kevgsp

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Re: Why make it so dang difficult?
« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2010, 05:05:00 PM »
I kept it real simple my first yr...I had no idea what I was doing, and no one to show me.

Managed to shoot a deer with arrows so poorly matched and with a nock set so low the paint was wore off my arrows. Got a complete pass thru and watched the deer go down from my stand.  It worked  but it didn't make it right. I've come a long way since then.

I like to tinker with my set ups...half the fun for me.   My good buddy is just the opposite, that's the beauty of archery, make it as simple or complex as YOU like.  He was smiling for three days when I made him a new string as it completely changed the way his bow shot. He thought a string is just a string.

Offline David Mitchell

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Re: Why make it so dang difficult?
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2010, 05:06:00 PM »
I never have had problems in oh, about 50 years of shooting arrows, getting arrows to fly.  I've always kept it real simple, have never bare shafted or paper tuned, or any of the other techy stuff some guys are so into (not that there's anything wrong with that if that floats your boat). It sometimes seems to me that we are needlessly complicating something that is essentially very simple  Could it be a hold-over from compound days?  Indeed, if performance is the main aim, if we could somehow just put some cams or wheelie things out on the limb tips, I bet we could even get more speed.....oh, wait, I think somebody named Allen already did that, didn't he?     :rolleyes:
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Offline LKH

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Re: Why make it so dang difficult?
« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2010, 05:07:00 PM »
The more complicated, the better.  

I figure the more things we're supposed to know, study, and get EXACTLY right, the more excuses I have.

Offline BWD

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Re: Why make it so dang difficult?
« Reply #11 on: January 30, 2010, 05:11:00 PM »
I like to piddle. Keeps me in the backyard and out of trouble in the off season. Plus, it allows me to learn, first hand, what does and does not work.
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Offline kevgsp

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Re: Why make it so dang difficult?
« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2010, 05:16:00 PM »
Ya,if you pay attention to EFOC, bareshafting, paper tuning, polished BH edge, GPP etc. it makes you less trad   :readit:    :knothead:

Offline Terry Green

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Re: Why make it so dang difficult?
« Reply #13 on: January 30, 2010, 05:28:00 PM »
Covey.  Don't seat it.   Work on your shootin...... Much more important than all those acronyms combined.    :readit:
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Offline mcgroundstalker

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Re: Why make it so dang difficult?
« Reply #14 on: January 30, 2010, 05:36:00 PM »
IMO some compound shooters making their way over to our side of the fence brought their baggage with them.  :p  Most important for us is to learn HOW TO SHOOT RIGHT!

Then we can/should/maybe tinker with our hunting rigs. Find what works and stick with it. You are gonna want proper arrow flight and a quiet bow for big game hunting anyway. Simple.

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Offline DVSHUNTER

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Re: Why make it so dang difficult?
« Reply #15 on: January 30, 2010, 05:55:00 PM »
ignorance is best fought with intellect. Knowledge is power. Now you know, and knowing is half the battle.
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Offline kung fu kid

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Re: Why make it so dang difficult?
« Reply #16 on: January 30, 2010, 05:55:00 PM »
I completely agree w/ David Mitchell.  As a teen many years back, I bought a Pearson 40# recurve, got some arrows spined for 45#, and started shooting.  Able to get groups the size of my palm @ 100ft after a year of occasional shooting around after school.  Using Bear arrows store bought would have taken any game I would go after.  So much simpler then.

Offline AdamH

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Re: Why make it so dang difficult?
« Reply #17 on: January 30, 2010, 06:30:00 PM »
I don't get it either, it's a stick & a string for cryin out loud  !!!!

Offline George D. Stout

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Re: Why make it so dang difficult?
« Reply #18 on: January 30, 2010, 06:36:00 PM »
Everyone who isn't interested, isn't ignorant. Knowledge is indeed power, but like any power, it must be managed sensibly.

I love it when folks start spouting axioms...it does make them sound like they are in the know 8^).

You can make it as hard or as easy as you need, friend Covey.  I'm basically using the same relative setup that I used over forty years ago.  Of course that would make it antiquated to the new age traditionalist, but it works wonderfully...and is extremely deadly and accurate.

What you need to do is simply get your equipment shooting perfectly...it doesn't matter whether it fits someone elses idea of what is appropriate; lots of these folks weren't even born yet when many of us were shooting field rounds and killing bucks with the bow and arrow.

Archery is still fun, and easy....you can keep it that way, or stress yourself to the point of taking up golf (shhhuuuuddddeeerrrr).  Hang in there and enjoy....it's an El Nino year and there will be lots of hot air flying during the course of the year 8^)))))))))))).

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Re: Why make it so dang difficult?
« Reply #19 on: January 30, 2010, 06:45:00 PM »
Quote:"When you were a teenager, didn't you tinker around with your car engine just to get it to go a little bit faster or run better?" I can answer that one..NO! Never! My dad and brothers loved doing that kind of stuff. I was happy with a stick and string, it could be a bow or a fishing pole, it didn't matter to me. I'd take an old single shot shotgun and walk the pastures, fields, fence lines and railroad tracks but I hated greasy stinking cars. I found it a pure delight to figure out mom's long handled teaspoons if hammered out flat and sharpened with a file made a darn good broadhead to tie onto the end of my arrow after I cut that long handle off.
 She wasn't nearly as pleased with them as I was though...lol
When I started driving things didn't change much for me but it did give my older brother and dad something else to try and tinker with but I would stop them if I caught them monkeying with it. I always said if it gets from point A to point B and back again, it's good enough.
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