I am a happy FOC camper!

[Chris Shelton]

Well I decided to up the weight of my arrows and increase my FOC.  I was shooting Beeman ICS Bowhunter shafts at a total grain weight of 347.2 before, with 7 gpp.  My foc was 13.64%  

And today I received my brass inserts.  I went 100 grains and man are they sweet!!!  So now I am shooting 447.2 grains, which is 8.64 gpp(still a bit shy), and my FOC is 18.64%, and the best news is that my flight is almost identical, just a wee bit slower, and about a inch or so low out to 30 yards.  Which in the feild I rarely take shots beyond 25 yards.  So during the summer I will play with bh weight, and have a arrow above both the 9 gpp and 19% FOC threshold!!!

[Ragnarok Forge]

Sounds like you have a winner!

[Earl Jeff]

wack'em and stackem

[Kris]

I just setup a new 200 grain LW Grizzly that I got from K-zoo with 100 grain steel BH adapter, 100 grain brass arrow insert in a CX 300 for an EFoC of 28% and total arrow weight of 688 grains.  Awesome!  I love this stuff!  I just shot this arrow in my driveway at 20 yds. with my 54# longbow....perfect arrow flight, super quiet, pin-point accuracy.  What more could you ask for?  A penetrator setup w/o a doubt.  I shot two P&Y class bucks with this bow and a similar setup here in Wisconsin this season with excellent results; both pass through exits, heavy and short blood trails. I will never hunt with any other kind of arrow.  I've been using this specific setup ever since Ashby came out with his reports a couple years back.  Yes, a lot of different arrow setups will pass through a white-tail no problem, been there done that as well.  This takes it to the next level...rhino anyone? LOL

Regards –

Kris

[Chris Shelton]

cool Kris, that sounds awesome, Doc is definatly the one that convinced me to try it!

[Kris]

Chris,

I would encourage you to keep running with it, see what you can get away with i.e. increased arrow weight, FOC & EFoC, bare shaft tuning, high MA broadheads, honed BH's, et al...it's a blast if you love to tinker and experiment!

Good luck -

Kris

[illianabowhntr67]

Chris whats your set up that you are shooting? Just curious.Sounds like a good set up! thanks Jeff.

[Chris Shelton]

I shoot a Greatree Deer Master take down 55# 28", 60" total.  Beeman ICS bowhunter shafts, 400 spine 8.4 gpi.  

Kris I am definatly going to tinker, need something to keep me shooting all summer, between perfecting my arrow system, IBO, and school, I will be a busy bee!

[Mint]

I've never hunted with a shaft under 500 grains so i was curious how EFOC shafts would perform. I used a Gold Tip 55/75 shafts cut to 28" with a 50gr brass insert and 200gr phantom broadhead total weight 532gr on a hog hunt I just went on. I shot a 130lb boar and wentthrough both shields with the arrow sticking out the other side about 4 to 6"s. I shot two big sows with complete pass thorough with the arrow sticking in the dirt and another buried up to the fletch. I was very impressed with the increased penetration with the EFOC shafts.

[ishoot4thrills]

   

[speedwalker]

This year I'm shooting full length 75/95's w/ 140gr Steelforce Sabertooth's w/100grs steel broadhead adaptors.  Total weight is exactly 600gr.  I'm shooting them out of my 56lb Border Black Douglas.  This year hit the leg bone just below the joint and broke through the bone.

[Chris Shelton]

That is awesome, I am not to the EFOC level yet, but you guys are sure tryin to get me there!

[Chris Shelton]

I didnt know they made steel inserts?  Where do you get them???

[Kris]

Chris,

I initially misspoke when I said "steel inserts", sorry.  I have since edited that post.

Here's a tip on adapters though:  I turn my steel adapters down to the exact size they need to be per a specific ferrule.  Grizzly ferrules are about the smallest of all the traditional heads.  The steel adapters usually will not fit into the Grizzly's completely.  I invert my high speed drill in my work bench vise and tighten the steel adapters directly into the chuck with the tapered end exposed.  I then set the speed of the drill and run a mill bastard file over the insert to reduce it in diameter.  Please wear safety goggles.  What you get is a steel adapter that fits just flush with the rear of the broadhead and aligns itself perfectly!  I can send pics if you are interested.

Regards –

Kris

[Guru]

Kris, I believe what you are talking about are steel adapters....

[Chris Shelton]

yup adapters, they should make steel inserts!

[Kris]

Guru,

You are correct, thank you.  I misspoke initially and said "steel arrow inserts"  when I meant to say "steel BH adapters".  

Chris,

I have never seen steel arrow inserts.  The brass inserts aren't bad though.  I've have only ever had one brass insert bend slightly and that was under an extreme situation.

Kris

hey chris, how long is your arrow? im shooting the same poundage, and have some of those arrows might try to fixem up....

[Chris Shelton]

I have mine cut to 29.5, But I think I can go 29?  I need to make a draw length arrow, because you cant really get a acurate draw length reading using a tape measure.  To me it is worth it, if you buy brass everytime, I got mine for 12 dollars, that would be about 60 bucks for a dozen arrows, that is still pretty cheap!

[Hoser1268]

I always used wood but just started using 2016 legacy arrows cut at 28". With 250 grs up front I have an arrow that weighs 595grs and a foc of 20%.  I'm shooting 44# of my 54" Rocky Mt. Recurve. Man that arrow thumps.