Long draw.....Blessing or Curse.....Bow and arrow specs.....

[wtpops]

I was looking through the height and draw thread and noticed a few knuckle draggers like me, 6'2" and a 31.5" draw. I know with a long draw you have the Blessing of a long power stroke but with me comes the Curse of very few arrow options.

This also leaves out all the fun of tinkering with FOC and EFOC. Have you ever tried to get EFOC when you can’t cut an arrow down past 32" and your best flight comes from a .300 spine arrow with a factory insert and a 150 grain head? It’s just no fun sometimes; I don’t get to play like the other boys do.   :mad:  

So all you long draw guys out there lets list your set up specs. The rest of us might see something to play with.

[Bear]

I haven't had any major arrow problems, but then I consider 250 up front to be plenty.

I will say that truly smooth drawing short bows are hard to find. Of all the makers claiming short bows that accomodate long draws, I know of only a couple that deliver both smoothness and accuracy. Short bows drawn long become very critical, even if they feel smooth, which most do not.

I'm really not into the sexy short bow craze. Accuracy is way more important to me.

[wtpops]

Guess i should start with my specs:

Black Widow PSA V 62" 53# @ 30" draw 31.5
Arrow: 2219, 32.5" 150 grain point
       2216, 32" 125 grain point

Boarder Black Douglas 50# @ 29" draw 31.5
Arrow: still tunning just got the bow but it looks like a 2317 (.300) some where around 33"- 32" standard insert and 150 grain head.

[George D. Stout]

Well, there are positives and negatives to every situation.  That said, I don't know why you would worry about EFOC when you are shooting a 2219 with a 150 grain point.  That combination will shoot through any critter you will encounter on the North American continent.  

If you want to go totally nuts though, get a 2419 and front load it to about 250 grains.  That ought to give you a twenty yard point-on, and a muzzle velocity just a little faster than a dead-run 8^))))))))).

I think you are fine with the 2219's, myself.

[straitera]

Buying heavy spined long (woods esp) arrows is an effort. Known big guys successfully cut their draw to accommodate shorter heavier spines. 35" sleeves take up a lot of my 31" draw.

[Night Wing]

I shoot aluminum arrows.

Blacktail T/D: 66", 42# @ 30"

Arrow: Easton XX75 Camo Hunter 2213, 32" (BOP), 145 Grain STOS Broadhead, 5 Grain Brass Weight Washer, 555 Grains Total Arrow Weight.

Blacktail T/D: 66", 37# @ 30" & Belcher Longhorn Hybrid Longbow: 68", 41# @ 30"
(Both of these bows shoot the same arrow, but the longbow doesn't need the 5 grain brass weight washer behind the broadhead.)

Arrow: Easton XX78 X7 Eclipse 2212, 32" (BOP), 145 Grain STOS Broadhead, 5 Grain Brass Weight Washer, 524 Grains Total Arrow Weight.

The above is for the 37# Blacktail. The 41# Longhorn longbow, since it doesn't need the 5 grain brass weight washer behind the broadhead, the 2212 arrow weighs 519 grains.

[wtpops]

Originally posted by George D. Stout:
Well, there are positives and negatives to every situation.  That said, I don't know why you would worry about EFOC when you are shooting a 2219 with a 150 grain point.  That combination will shoot through any critter you will encounter on the North American continent.  

If you want to go totally nuts though, get a 2419 and front load it to about 250 grains.  That ought to give you a twenty yard point-on, and a muzzle velocity just a little faster than a dead-run 8^))))))))).

I think you are fine with the 2219's, myself.

Oh im not worried about it George Im more than fine with my heavy arrows, But i am a tinker and have fun playing around and with my draw i just dont get to play somtimes, I know, I know,   :rolleyes:      :rolleyes:


Humm a 2419 with 250 up front, that should knock over a full 55 gallon drum,  

[Hackbow]

Hummingbird Kingfisher recurve, 71 @ 30", 30" draw. After nearly 2 yrs with this bow, I finally have found an arrow that will fly as well as it should. I've settled on the GT Big Game 100+'s (.280) cut to 31". I'm still messing around with front-end and total weight. But for now, I've got about 450gr (head + insert + extra wt) up front for an 800gr arrow.

I'm starting to mess with aluminum outserts as well. As long as I end up with excellent arrow flight and 11-12 gpp I'm happy. I like heavy arrows and believe in the physics behind FOC.

[BobW]

Don Stokes' "super cedars", 31" (full length), footed with Reparrows (full length) make me a 35" arrow.  For my bows, 56# at 32" to 59# @32", the spine class is starting at 105# for using 125g heads.  EFOC, you kidding?  What telephone pole am I going to shoot?  These arrows are 800g.....

I short draw at 32".....

[wtpops]

Any more long draw guys lets put your set up specs up we all might be able to see somthing to try.

[Jason R. Wesbrock]

62" TradTech Titan recurve.
56# @ 32"
Full length Beman ICS 340 shafts.
Regular inserts.
125-grain heads.

[JCJ]

58" Bruin Deflex Express. 53# @ 28". I draw 31.5". Beman ICS 340 32" to BOP. 100 gr, insert, 125 gr. point.About 550 gr. total weight and FOC in the 20% range. Bareshaft perfect at 20 yards and when fletched punch perfect little holes when paper tuning. The highly deflexed riser,  limb design and taper of the limb cores make this Bruin a very comfortable shooting and great performing bow. Best of all it is dead quiet even with a light gpp arrow.
 

[LimbLover]

"Power Stroke" I'll have to remember that. I'm 6'3" with the same draw.

I shoot a 68" longbow that is 60# at 30".

I shoot a Heritage 250 cut at 31" with a 125g field point. A little bit heavier with a broadhead. Around 150g.

I shoot a 2117 aluminum well too. I try not to experiment too much.

[antler chaser]

wes wallace recurve 66'' 60# @ 32 likes full length 2219 with 145 point,I'm right at a 32'' draw,2nd set of limbs 66'' 55# @ 32 full length 2117 145 gr point,longbow 70'' 68# @ 32 full length 2219 145 to 160 gr point. 2117 out of 57# & 59# long bows. What I hate about having a long draw you can't try different bows there to short or to heavy.

[Gary Sorensen]

ACS-CX 66" 60#@31.5"
Full length Traditional Only 400 shaft with 100gr insert and 145gr point.

[Matt_Potter]

Morrison recurve 64" 50@32
Axis 340 full length regular insert and 250 head

[wtpops]

Originally posted by antler chaser:
 What I hate about having a long draw you can't try different bows there to short or to heavy.

Thats one thing i forgot about. Ive had a few guys with self bows offer to let me shoot their bow untill i tell them my draw lenght. T  hey look at me funny and say never mind.  

[DGEsposito]

65#@30in draw30.5 in arrows 2317 drawing29.5 in. 150grn 2bladebroadheads 3-5.5in feathers. 65#psa@30in 66#pma@30in both bows 62" weight of arrows 630-640grns.

[Oregon Okie]

50#@30 drawing 31  firefly bow
beman ics 300 with 250 total up front cut to 32 inches.

56#@30 drawing 31 recurve I made
Heritage Express 350 cut too short @ 31 with .. can't remember exactly what's on front but they are about 15% FOC

trying out some AD shafts soon to see if they'll fly with EFOC.
Have some Surewoods that are 85# and some 95# that fly with 125 to 145 up front from the firefly.

[Gooserbat]

I shoot 59@ 30 Greatplains SR Swift and used a 340 beman classic mfx with a total of 225 up front last year but i'm going to change to a easton epic nano 300 in the near future and hopefuly I can get by with a little more FOC