quick clot/first aid

[J-dog]

reading some stories about accidents with BHds I got to thinkin (scary) it might be a good idea to pick up a couple packs of this stuff (over counter easy) and throw in your pack. Specially some of you folks who really are out there wilderness hunting. Course with an artery it doesn't take being just a few yards from a truck to do you in.

I run fire/ems and have seen the stuff in action -it works decent, better than nothing. Arterial bleed can be amazing and scary - and it will only take a slip tp experience one in this business.

Just a thought, be safe.

J

[GRAYBEARD]

JDOG,
WHAT IS THE TRADE NAME OR MEDICAL NAME FOR THE PRODUCT YOU ARE DESCRIBING?
THANKS

[mjh]

Added some to my hunting pack this year.  Not a bad thing to have if you need it. Doesn't take much space or weight much and could just be useful someday.

[Dr. Ed Ashby]

I've been carrying some for the last several years, in both the small size and the large size (the diameter of an Asian buffalo's horn made the big size seem a good idea too!). Great stuff. Should be in every bowhunter's kit, quiver or possibles bag.

When I bought mine it was hard to locate, but I found it at a place that sold survival equipment for private pilots. It's much more readily available today; just do a Google search.

Ed

[Jeremy]

I'm friends with someone who was with the company from just about the start.  She gave me the "Combat pak" early on  

[twitchstick]

I have had them in my pack for a couple of years since I discover the product. Never had to use it yet. I tend to hunt solo alot,sure makes me feel safer.

[rraming]

http://www.quikclot.com/?ctt_id=2951015&ctt_adnw=Google&ctt_kw=quick%20clot&ctt_ch=ps&ctt_entity=tc&ctt_adid=3015778684&ctt_nwtype=search&ctt_cli=1^10113^30008^788301&_kk=quick%20c lot&_kt=b641b38a-ef38-465f-b42f-9ebb723333c4

we must read the same magazine, I saw it a few months ago

[bofish-IL]

I have never heard of them? do you get them at Drug stores?

[twosheds]

I'm a full time Firefighter/EMT and a previous Army Combat medic. The only real place you would need to place this type of clotting agent is for an inguinal wound. Where your leg meets your body. For any other wound, especially an arterial, nothing beats a tourniquet. You can make them out of easy to find materials, shirt sleeves,belts,bowstrings, anything that you can use to stop blood loss. I was taught in Medic school, that you have about six hours after applying a tourniquet before necrosis or tissue starts to die.

For smaller wounds such as on your hands,feet or anything not life threatening, super glue is your best bet. Easy to carry and works really well. When I was in Iraq as a Infantryman, my medic carried several tubes of superglue. Easier and faster than a bandage.

If you are going to use this "quick clot" product, never apply it to your head or neck due to you not knowing the full extent or your wounds. Head wounds are known to bleed alot, if you apply this to a head wound that has a crack in your skull, you have more problems than just a bleed.

All in all,to stop bleeding, pressure points,heavy gauze applied with pressure, and tourniquets for arterial bleeds is the best way to go. Just my opinion.

[metsastaja]

Tripper thanks for giving everyone the heads up.

[tradtusker]

Good Info
i Have one in my First aid Bag

Also Carry a Israeli Bandaged works as a tourniquet/ direct pressure on wound. Might be worth a look if you dont have one and hunt in some remote areas.

[twosheds]

Tradtusker,an Israeli bandage is an excellent idea for everyone to carry. I have one in my hunting pack.

[Flinttim]

I see where you can now buy a stapler type thing now for carrying. How do guys feel about them ? I carry a prepackaged suture that my doc gave me.

[NorthernCaliforniaHunter]

As a former EMT I second twosheds' opinion. Start with direct pressure, then go to pressure points and then progress to a tourniquet. Super glue does wonders for clean cuts.
Not knocking the quick-clot, it's never a bad idea to have as many first-aid tools at your disposal, I'm just concerned people may turn to the product where it isn't needed or appropriate.

[J-dog]

Yeah go through the steps of blood control - shoulda stated that - might be good to be brushed up on that - in the end rather have it than not. Specially if your not seeing a ER any time soon.

"nothing beats a tournique" (Sp?) not hardly??? only if your in to being fitted with prostetics, the thinking being that you can loosen the strap every so often to allow blood perfusion? wouldnt count on that being the case.

have seen quick clot used on many locations of the anatomy - many more accesible arteries than the femoral, many more shallow. But a serious bleed may or may not incorporate an artery - it is just that an artery is a hard thing to slow down!!!
Study it for yourself is what I say see what you think, analyze it in your own hair covered computer - from what I have seen it is a good product worth its weight if needed (hopefully not!)

J

[DannyBows]

There's a video on YouTube of the QuikClot being used on a sedated Pig. Doctor's are doing a Demo of it's use, and they are using it on the Hip/Leg artery.

[Greg Gilliland]

Being a EMT and a nurse I agree with the direct pressure, pressure points and then tourniquet. Just make sure when you use the tourniquet you write the time down that you applied it, we were taught to write it on the there forehead with there blood (you may not have a pen with you).

[J-dog]

"All tools in the tool box" is what this boils down to - but there is a big reason for scribing times on foreheads - placing a tourniquet you really cannot loosen to allow blood perfusion as then you kick a risk of septic shock.

In my area on a local hunt - I can have an ambie sittin on me within minutes - regular blood control measures should be sufficient for a buddy to get to me and pop a line.

3 miles in a Colorodo back country - no chance of quick help, regular blood control measures applied, they work great, if they are not cutting it you apply tourniquet> they can smell your arm by the time you get out - quick clot is more a measure to "help" with blood control measures BEFORE you choose to be an amputee. LOL
Rather see someone misuse quick clot as misuse a tourniquet.

No arguing at all! good points all, but when people speak tourniquets? makes me cringe.

my 2

Rally shouldn't say amputee - not sure the percentage of tourniquets applied to loss of limb?? maybe a doc on here does? but I know the risk is real once you make the choice - you are in essence saying " I am gonna live but will have to learn to cast one handed!!!!! LOL

[flightmedic]

quick clot a good choice with a pressure bandage should do the trick for 90%+ of most accidents, torniquet uh NO!!! . unless you have the correct training on the use of one, not suggested. necrosis, compartment syndrome, amputation, to name a few things that can go wrong with placing one.

[lpcjon2]

What ever happened to cauterizing,John Wayne did it.Elevation and direct pressure is the only thing I would do,then maybe Dermabond(crazy glue) after the bleeding stops. IMMO