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Author Topic: Arrow Split Record--Finally, the Facts (maybe?)  (Read 1031 times)

Offline LBR

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Arrow Split Record--Finally, the Facts (maybe?)
« on: February 16, 2010, 07:40:00 PM »
I couldn't say how many times I've heard this story, and I don't think I've ever heard it told the same way twice.  

I'd searched the internet for something...ANYTHING, to verify it as fact or fiction.  Thanks to some help on where to find a copy, I recently purchased the 4th Edition of the Archer's Digest, which carried the story.  It arrived today, and of course I went straight for the one article I bought it for to begin with.

First, there were two archers--not just one.  The shot distance was 20 feet.  Two bales were set up, where both archers alternated between them, shooting 36 arrows per round.  After that, they turned around to shoot at the other target while the arrows were removed from the first.  The nocks were left on the arrows, but heated and spread apart to make it less likely for an arrow to glance off.

Not as impressive as most of the versions I've heard, but impressive nontheless.

Now, why did I say "maybe" in the title?  Well...you be the judge here.  According to the article, one of the archers was using a 40# pull longbow...and (also according to the article) he was getting "about 195 feet per second (fps)" with arrows that weighed (get this) 520 grains!  195 fps with 13 gpp with what looks to be no more than a 28" draw, from a longbow, back in 1985 or 86.  Really?

Amost forgot.  The total number of arrows fired was 9,025.  The total number of "robin hoods" was a combined 347 in a 24 hour period.  The most split in one 36 arrow group was four.

Although some of the stats are questionable (195 fps with 13 gpp?????), I reckon this is the best version of the story available.  It's certainly the best I've been able to find.

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Re: Arrow Split Record--Finally, the Facts (maybe?)
« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2010, 07:49:00 PM »
Impressive!  i imagine they were sore for a couple of days!  Who was the bowyer of this "magic" bow, and who were the archers?
Thanks for sharing Chad!
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Re: Arrow Split Record--Finally, the Facts (maybe?)
« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2010, 07:53:00 PM »
Ok Chad who was the person who did it? I've heard it was Arvid sp? The bowyer of Black Swan..?
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Re: Arrow Split Record--Finally, the Facts (maybe?)
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2010, 10:41:00 PM »
im sure that chrons. in that timewhere quite as good as we have now. that might have something to do with it. but who knows
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Re: Arrow Split Record--Finally, the Facts (maybe?)
« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2010, 12:12:00 AM »
I have also read somewhere that it was Arvid D. of Black Swan who had done this deed.I think it was in TBM way back when the first generation of Black Swans were mede that I had read about this, in the bowyer interview section.
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Re: Arrow Split Record--Finally, the Facts (maybe?)
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2010, 06:26:00 AM »
So, they were shooting 36 arrows (with modafied nocks) in a target at 20ft and trying to get robin hoods. UH OK! I just don't get the point?
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Re: Arrow Split Record--Finally, the Facts (maybe?)
« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2010, 06:53:00 AM »
Sounds very expensive to me!
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Re: Arrow Split Record--Finally, the Facts (maybe?)
« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2010, 07:43:00 AM »
Again, there were two shooters--not just one.  One was Arvid, the other was a fellow by the name of Ray Girouard.  

Ray had also set another record (by himself) by shooting 10,022 arrows at 9-inch thrown paper discs in 22 hours (he hit more than 8,000 of them according to the article).  The range was 10 yds.

Doesn't seem to say which one split how many, just that 347 were split out of 9,025 shots.  That's almost 7 arrows split for every 180 shots taken.
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Re: Arrow Split Record--Finally, the Facts (maybe?)
« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2010, 08:44:00 AM »
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Originally posted by JOKER:
So, they were shooting 36 arrows (with modafied nocks) in a target at 20ft and trying to get robin hoods. UH OK! I just don't get the point?
Yeah....I don't get it either.
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Re: Arrow Split Record--Finally, the Facts (maybe?)
« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2010, 08:50:00 AM »
Arrow killing spree?  Couldn't get a date?

I reckon the goal was to set a record with a traditional bow.  Like most records, I don't see any practical purpose in it.

I posted because of all the different versions I've heard about this event, and wanted to set the record straight...or at least as straight as I could.
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Re: Arrow Split Record--Finally, the Facts (maybe?)
« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2010, 08:55:00 AM »
Is there a point? I think it may have been just for fun. Haven't y'all ever done something just to see if you can?
Thanks for the info Chad I have wondered about that myself.
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Re: Arrow Split Record--Finally, the Facts (maybe?)
« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2010, 09:11:00 AM »
I doubt most archers could duplicate this feat given the same circumstances so I guess the point is to have done something that no one has done before and to hold the record.
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Re: Arrow Split Record--Finally, the Facts (maybe?)
« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2010, 09:34:00 AM »
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Re: Arrow Split Record--Finally, the Facts (maybe?)
« Reply #13 on: February 17, 2010, 10:35:00 AM »
Question:
  Does this post refer to how many Robin Hoods a person gets in a single shoot out ? OR does it mean over a period of time etc.?????
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Re: Arrow Split Record--Finally, the Facts (maybe?)
« Reply #14 on: February 17, 2010, 10:49:00 AM »
The record was two shooters seeing how many they could get in a 24 hour period at a distance of 20 feet, shooting groups of 36 arrows.
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Re: Arrow Split Record--Finally, the Facts (maybe?)
« Reply #15 on: February 17, 2010, 11:11:00 AM »
"What did it all prove? Two men took their abilities & simple equipment & pushed them to limits never before attempted.  They took a fascinating idea from an old Hollywood movie & performed an amazing feat of endurance. And they performed with style & skill. In doing so, they have advanced the sport of archery for us all." Thanks for the link David!  Incredible feat!
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Re: Arrow Split Record--Finally, the Facts (maybe?)
« Reply #16 on: February 17, 2010, 11:27:00 AM »
I have several questions . . .

1.  What was the arrow material?

2.  Was this a promotional stunt for Black Swan bows?  Someone mentioned that they were just at the start of the company, so that makes sense, picture it . . . "Arvid and Ray robin hoods 347 arrows with the brand new Black swan longbow"

3.  Is it just me or does this seem like shooting fish in a barrel?  20 feet that is less than 7 yards? Any person can stack arrows at 7 yards, and it you have say 6 arrows within a 1" area, that increases your chances of robin hooding 600%???

Not to down anyones acheivments but I can easily break that record of 8000 9" disks, at ten yards.  Now granted Mr Girouard had a 79% hit ratio, I think that could have been better.  I would be willing to bet that most of his misses were at the end, but I feel that most archers could do it with at least a 85% hit ratio, but it is like a grand slam, most of us will just simply never try, or cant afford to try, lol  

and finally with 347 out of 9025 shots that is less than .04%, which would kinda be expected?  I know I am being sceptical, and I dont know if I can do or afford to do better.
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Re: Arrow Split Record--Finally, the Facts (maybe?)
« Reply #17 on: February 17, 2010, 11:30:00 AM »
I just ran some numbers on this. The stats alone for the # of arrows impressive.

total shots 9025
shots per shooter 4512.5
shots prhr pr shooter 188.02
time pr shot 18.6 sec
rounds shot 250.69
robin hoods per 36 shot round 1.38
amount of weight pulled by one shooter at 40# 90.25 tons (had to do this twice to make sure)
lineal feet of arrows 21,058.33'
Miles of arrow flight 34.18

I like to play with numbers.   :)  
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Re: Arrow Split Record--Finally, the Facts (maybe?)
« Reply #18 on: February 17, 2010, 11:34:00 AM »
Good numbers cobbow, makes me tired just to think about it.
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Re: Arrow Split Record--Finally, the Facts (maybe?)
« Reply #19 on: February 17, 2010, 11:39:00 AM »
The one that got me was the amount of weight that was pulled. OUCH!
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