Introducing the Black Swan Wave FD Charts added

[Predator Man]

Originally posted by Bender:
I see from the f/d curve that it actually dips below the line that would be generated by plotting a simple linear spring. Compared to the f/d curves of other hybrid longbows the Wave does have an early increase in draw weight and energy storage but then gives that up and actually loses some energy storage later in the draw. Is this trade off in performance what gives it the feeling of smoothness later in the draw?

Trade off in performance?  I wouldnt call 90-92% a trade off.

[Bob L.]

Send it in to walk the talk

[Bender]

Even if it is delivering 92% of its stored energy to a 9gpp AMO test arrow (I have yet to see any test results) the f/d curve indicates that it is actually storing less energy than it could have.

[Sixby]

Its also one thing to store energy and another to utilize it. It seems like an awful lot of mass to move to me. Light and efficient should be much more productive. Those limbs look heavy .

[vermonster13]

The limbs are carbon/carbon foam/ceramic, they aren't heavy.

Guys a dozen people shot this bow at JLMBH and all commented on how smooth, quiet and fast it is. That was good enough feed back for me, these are folks with a lot of experience shooting for the most part.

[Jesse Peltan]

Those carbon foam and ceramic limbs are amazing.  Where do you get the materials?  I think its amazing that one of those bows pulled to 45in with no damage.  I wonder how a hill style bow would perform with those materials.

[vermonster13]

The materials are proprietary Jesse(Arvid was a DOD contractor and has some serious contacts). The 45" bow was a 62" Curve with reverse cut nocks so it wouldn't unstring.

The AMO numbers were tried when the rain broke in AZ earlier this week, but the trap was giving troubles and needs to be recalibrated. Numbers were too high to be right.

[Greg Owen]

Is this the options available?


Length- 56", 58", 62"
Risers -alum. belly mt,alum back mt,wood back mt

[Greg Owen]

Ok I have a 56" Belly Mount Wave on order. And the wait built quickly. It's about 3 months now, but will be well worth the wait!

[tyee]

"the fastest bow Arvid has made to date"
I see no speed data, and all this stiff arrow stuff seams like smoke and mirrors as a hunch I took a compound moved the draw stops set it to zero let off draw weight at sixty pounds and paper tuned with a 29" 340 no problem Oh with fingers.
mistaken holding weight on the bow was 42lbs
 I am starting to wonder if this bow can cure cancer or fix my leaking roof and 3# per inch of draw gain isnt smooth it is the norm inside of 30" on most bows ,unless a bow is built to be shot by a fella or woman with a short draw

[Jesse Peltan]

I don't see the bow listed on the website.  Where is it listed?

[Greg Owen]

It will be a bit before it is on the website. They are working on getting it on the site.

[Greg Owen]

I guess I have a bit of time to find some arrows for this bow. I look forward to shooting it.  I also will work on my camera setup to make sure I can capture some high speed photos of my release and form and bow action.

[doowop]

I'm just still waiting for my hybrid to get done!

[Greg Owen]

I have a one piece hybrid and its a great bow!  It is light in the hand, fast, quiet and shoots great.

[HATCHCHASER]

Tyee, if you have shot a black swan you'll see it is not smoke and mirrors. If you don't have something positive to say then back off.

[tyee]

[trapperDave]

Originally posted by Bob L.:
Send it in to walk the talk

I second that, send it in to WTT. Lets see what she'll really do.

[vermonster13]

Herb Mullaney has been doing this for a long time as has Blacky. We'll stick with them for independent testing.

[HATCHCHASER]

There can be faster bows made but I like to shoot mine more than a dozen times.  Alot of those speed bows are not sold to the public because they are not durable enough.  These Black Swans are not fragile.  They are tough as nails for years of hunting.