thanks, ill have to try that. ive already worked some of the spots like the ears by hand, just rolling them and working the cartilage, got them better than they were.like i said though its mostly the nose and lip. nose ids kinda caved in and the lips pulled back from being on a stretcher.its actually a really nice hide for being #2 grade, ive seen alot of fox hides growing up with my grandpa trapping fox in pa and this one is nicer than the majority ive seen at the wholesaler we used to sell to