Kustom King German Mountain pine shafting

[SuperK]

I was looking thru my new Kustom King catalog and I saw they have some new "German Mountain pine shafting" for arrow making.  I tried a search here and didn't turn up anything.  Has anybody tried them yet?  If so, what did ya think?  Is this the "chundoo" we used to get?  Thanks for your time.

[Rob DiStefano]

good question - who's gonna be the bold and daring tester to order out a dozen?   :D

[WESTBROOK]

Not yet, but I might, the price is right. Cant be any weaker than cedar, if there good round shafts I'll try them, nothin' more irritating than a egg shaped shaft.

Nope its not Chundoo

Eric

[Rob DiStefano]

aw geez, now i gotta go order out some  :D   test report forthcoming in a week or so ....

just got in a dozen braveheart surewood fir shafts that are REALLY REALLY NICE.

[Michl]

Shot the mountain pine, they are lightweight(about 10 % lighter than cedar)inconsistend in spine and weight and are not very durable.
Most european archers who shoot wood arrows buy in the US.

[Keefer]

I saw the price to and you can't find to many prices that low.

[Rob DiStefano]

not yet on the kk website, just in their print catalog.

[Smallwood]

I think this is the manufacturer/distributer...

 https://www.bogensport-bodnik.de/cgi-bin/WebObjects/seat1WAWI.woa/2/wo/Cy2000kv600Xm30027/1.10.3.7.1.24.2.9

[George D. Stout]

"Cant be any weaker than cedar,"

Cedar, my friend, is not weak...it is one of the strongest arrow shafts available, if you keep things relative...strength to weight for archery use.  Cedar is still available and has been used over a hundred years, so I would suggest that it's still here for a good reason.  I still have half a dozen, of a dozen I made up five years ago, and they still shoot well.

I don't know why the pine wouldn't work as long as it is consistent from shaft to shaft; resinous soft woods seem to make better shaft material than most hardwoods....at least easier to work with.

[WESTBROOK]

"Cedar, my friend, is not weak...it is one of the strongest arrow shafts available..."

Stronger than what?

Fir...Nope
Spruce...Nope
Lodgepole Pine...Nope

Yes, it does make a great arrow just not very durable. It is popular because forever thats all there was readily available in wood arrows. Cheap to process because its already dead, usually already down, so it doesnt have to be dried, goes straight from the forest to the shaft mill. Just happened to make a pretty good arrow too.

Eric

[cedar]

I can't understand where some say that cedar is not durable.  What are you trying to do with them, knock down walls?  I have shot cedar for over 15 years and have found that they are as durable as I would expect any wood to be when I do my part behind the arrow.  Aluminum bends and/or snaps and carbonies crack and/or shatter.  An arrow is meant to hit what you are aiming at, I think cedar does this as well as any.  Keep shooting the other stuff, that will leave more cedar for me.

[Rob DiStefano]

kk is already outta stock of the german pine, new shipment due in a month or so.

i agree with eric.  i love everything about cedar shafts but their consistent lack of overall strength/durability, and lower weight (for a hunting arrow).  perhaps that durability issue was why they were so often footed.  i've found ash, birch, larch, fir, poplar, and other woods are just tougher for a hunting or roving arrow

[mnbearbaiter]

It must be a wood that is foreign and that must reflect the price! I spotted this shaft in the catalog earlier this week and called em bout it! They will have them available in bout 4 weeks! I usually try a new type of shafting by making them into fluflu's, if they can survive my stump shooting sessions then they are worthy! I'll test em if the regime here wants me to!

[tradlongbow]

The company that makes the shafts is Bearpaw. I had a friend pick me up some of their field points. I really like them. They screw into the point and theres no tapering. You just cut the shaft straight off and crimp the edge of the shaft and slide the shaft into the point. When the shaft gets down inside, turn the shaft and it locks in place.

Darren

[SuperK]

I was just wondering if anybody has tried them now and what they think of them?

[Hot Hap]

I don't have any trouble with my POC. Hap

[Dave Bulla]

True story, the first year I tried shooting trad, I of course shot cedars.  I broke them on stumps, rocks, target frames, glancing shots on saplings, you name it.  Looking for a stronger shaft I tried maples from Silent Pond and them things seemed about bullet proof but at my 32" draw weighed about 800 grains and past 20 yards really dropped.  Shot them for about two or three seasons then tried cedars again and suddenly my cedars were just as strong as my maples for some reason.  Shot all year and maybe broke one arrow.  I couldn't figure it out.  Plus, after shooting the heavy maples the cedars looked like they were wicked fast in comparison and of course cedar stays straight better than about anything I've tried to date especially the hardwoods like maple, ash and hickory.  So

So what was the deal with the cedars being bad the first time and great the second?  Eventually I figured it out... I was simply hitting the target instead of trees, rocks etc. like I did my first year.  As for weight, at my long draw cedar gives me about exactly the weight I want but I understand that people with draws 28 and under often come up lighter than they want.

This year I'm trying some Douglas Fir and they are real nice but a lot heavier than cedar.  Still lighter than maple so maybe they'll be reasonably fast AND hit like a freight train eh?

As for the German Pine shafts, I have no idea.  My guess would be something like chundoo or norway pine but that's only a guess.  The one time I tried chundoo I was VERY disappointed.  Crooked as heck and grain runout all over the place but maybe I got a bad batch.

Let us know what you think if you try them out.

[ron w]

It's hard for me to complain about cedars, I have some shafts that are 15 years old and I still shoot them on a regular basis! I like Cedar!

[Bjorn]

I shoot wood only-about half Cedar and half Fir. Both are great and that German Pine would havta' be greater still to get my attention.
Personally I am only interested in top quality shafting and won't compromise for price, the arrow is as important as the bow.

[Ed Q]

Originally posted by SuperK:
I was just wondering if anybody has tried them now and what they think of them?

X2.  Noticed they're still $22.95/dz at Kustom King and was wondering if anyone has tried them yet and can give us a review.