muzzy Phantom question

[wildwilderness]

does anyone know how much the bleeder blade on a muzzy 125gr Phantom weighs?

how about a 125 magnus stinger bleeder blade?

(my bow shoots a 100gr slightly better than the 125gr head but the local store only has them in 125gr)

[Spectre]

Muzzy's site doesn't seem to be much help...hmm.

[Mike Gerardi]

I think the total weight on that head (as a two blade) is 105grns without the bleeder.

[daveycrockett]

Originally posted by Arrow k9:
I think the total weight on that head (as a two blade) is 105grns without the bleeder.

Yep, what he said.

[bornagainbowhunter]

cut 1/4" form your arrow and kill with 4 blades...lol

[wildwilderness]

I draw 29" and the arrow is 30".  I also have 100gr brass inserts in.  I am new to this, only a few weeks.  my bow shoots the arrows at 30" and 30.25" with 100grs great, but the 125gr head is slightly weak.  

I have thought about cutting the shaft to 29.75 and trying the 125gr but I don't think I like that short of an arrow?

[Biggie Hoffman]

I just happen to have a grain scale and a Phantom bleeder right here....the weight is.............................

20 grains

[Bow man]

Get rid of the Brass insers and shoot the SS they weigh 220 they are devestating to the deer. and very durable

[wapiti792]

I second the 220s except I pull out the bleeder and shoot them as a 2 blade...you can get them sharp and after killing a bunch of deer with them I can testify to their tuffness.

[Notags]

What are the specs on the 220's, length, width. If memory serves me right, the only difference is a SS ferrule instead of aluminum. Is this correct?

Thanks,

[Bow man]

Originally posted by Notags:
What are the specs on the 220's, length, width. If memory serves me right, the only difference is a SS ferrule instead of aluminum. Is this correct?

Thanks,

That is correct and like Mike I shoot mine without the bleeder

[Biggie Hoffman]

Just curious, why do you guys shoot them without the bleeders?

[mrpenguin]

I prefer to use my SS Phantoms without bleeders.  They penetrate the targets deeper (usually popping out the back) and fly quieter.  Plus I find the weight of 200 grs tunes better for my arrows...

The main blades also re-sharpen better than the bleeders which have to be replaced.  AND the bleeders can pop out of position and damage the arrow when shooting MFX or Axis carbons... this has happened several times to me.

[BobCo 1965]

Personally, I do not like the size of the Phantom Bleeders. They are almost as wide as the main blade.

[mrpenguin]

Originally posted by Notags:
What are the specs on the 220's, length, width. If memory serves me right, the only difference is a SS ferrule instead of aluminum. Is this correct?

Thanks,

Same dimensions as the standard Phantom, they are just a thicker ferule and main blade made of Stainless Steal... you can shoot them into anything... great BH.

[Morning Star]

Personally, I do not like the size of the Phantom Bleeders. They are almost as wide as the main blade.
 

I like them for their bleeder design. Those big and heavy bleeders pretty much make them a solid 4 blade head, instead of the typical bend or break away bleeder designs.

You get an identical cutting surface as the huge 160 Snuffers, but a slightly lower profile that seems to penetrate very well for that amount of blade.  JMO

[wapiti792]

I shoot mine as a 2 blade because I don't need the extra 20 grains. My arrows fly better at 200gr instead of 220. Other than that I'd shoot 'em with no reservations as a 4 blade. I have shot them either way with the same result all the time if I do my job right: a dead critter on the other end.

[Biggie Hoffman]

I'm with you Mike, I think they are the best of the removable bleeders on the market. I really like the big hole they cut.

I understand if it's a weight issue like Wapiti has. As far as penetration, I don't see much difference on critters, I blow through them with the bleeders and a 54# bow.

[wildwilderness]

looks like I will be trying out that phantom 125gr as a 2 blade 105gr broadhead. I like shooting a head I can buy locally instead of needing to mail order, just in case I run short during the season.

Also a 2 blade will  penetrate better when I get a shot at an elk.  (I am shooting 53# at my 29" draw with a 550gr arrow)

Will it loose a couple of grains over time from resharpening?

[wapiti792]

A couple grains won't matter on a good elk set-up (heavy arrow). I weigh each arrow and can tell you they all have a grain or two difference from with glue, difference in the arrow, etc. I have not noticed any major weight change with resharpening the same head 4 times this year. I killed 4 does with the same broadhead with 3 passthroughs and an offside shoulder job on the last. I like those heads alot but I am changing my elk setup to a 250 grain Woodmans elite to give me more weight up front. I will return to these heads when I get back to hunting whitetails and I lower my arrow/weight/bow from 680gr to 600gr and 64# to 56#.