About ten steps Tom. I can't hit-em much farther than that:^) Hunting in a Shaggie is fun stuff, BUT KEEPING STILL (and your wits) IS VERY STRESSFUL. When I want to relax I hunt from my son's blind. Problem is, most of the cooperative birds this year have been made to order for "run and arrow" techniques. I know the area extremely well, so can get in front of a bird once I know where he's sounding off. Having a good hunch where they're heading is a big advantage. There are stands of river cane along the creek bottoms where the birds sometimes travel and I have created makeshift blinds in a few of them by snipping off the center "can poles" so I can kneel in wait. You are virtually invisible dressed in a Shaggie among the cane. Add a decoy or two for them to focus on and good shots are definite possibilities.