I'm not giving up on having a Kaibab built. As I understand it, Bruce was building the Kaibab, but the Kaibab isn't Bruce's design. It is John Fazio's design and John is the bowyer for Sovereign Archery. I've got Sovereign's phone number and later on today, I'm going to call John, since the Kaibab is his design and see if he will build me a Kaibab. John builds the Sonoran longbow, but it looks more like a longbow than the hybrid Kaibab. I don't shoot "D" shaped longbows well. I "REALLY" want a Kaibab.........bad! LOL