New 450+ String = Quieter String

[Ray Lyon]

I wouldn't use anything but the strings Ron provides for the Shrew bows I own.  i've been using Ron's strings since I got my first Super Shrew in 1999 and the bow is very quiet.  It's a nice benefit when the bowyer does the test work for you and all you have to do is set the final nock and brace height then enjoy shooting.

[MAT]

Good info.  I plan to make some 452x strings, which are the same as 450+ but 1/2 the diamater.  Anyone use this stuff?  I plan to start with a 10 strand (= 5 strand 450+) endless loop.

[bow doctor]

Being involved with archery for over 50 years I've tried many things to make me a better archer and bowhunter.  Living here in the Upper Penninsula of Michigan there weren't any archery shops so you learned to make it yourself.  I've been making strings for almost 45 years and for Ron LaClair the last 3 years.  When we came up with mixing B-50 and 450+ I said, "why not".  Randy Gustafson of Northwoods Wilderness Outfitters and I experimented with different string materials (He's got about 10 Shrews) and found 6 strands, 450+ 2 strands, B-50 padded to 14 strands worked the best for every Shrew we tried.  People are asking does it work on recurves--YES--I've had one on my Marriah Thermal for 2 years now and looks as good as the day I put it on.  Does it come unraveled NO!!  

 B-50 will stretch as far as the 450+ will allow it.  All I know is it works on the Shrew's.  Give it a try you might get your bow to shoot as good as a Shrew, well then again maybe not!!

[Northwest_Bowhunter]

Where would a longbow shooter get such a string?  I have a 70" 63# Hill style and want to get rid of my "beaver balls".

[Gil Verwey]

CJC is a sponsor on this site. I have bought 6 strand 450+ flemish strings for my longbows from him and they were good quality strings.

Ron LaClair also stated he has some in stock. I don't know if they are only made to lengths that the Shrew is, but you can send him a PM too. He is also a sponsor of on this site.

Gil

[Doc Nock]

Not to change the subject, but can anyone tell me the difference tween 450+ and 450X? Soemone sent me a string with 450X on it... ?

[LBR]

452X is basically a thinner version of 450+.  450+ is 70/30 SK75 Dyneema and Vectran, 452X is 67/33.

Chad

[DesertDude]

Very interesting info here. I to have made strings for 20+ years and I'm always open to learn something new. I'm using TS1+ right now, I find it creeps alot then settles in. Thanks  again for all this info.......

Mark

[MAT]

452x is the newer version of 450, but it's 1/2 the diameter.  It's also less fuzzy.  I like the idea of having more strands for a skinny string.  Anyone ever try this?

[Doc Nock]

Thanks, Someone made me a 452X with like 12 vs. 8 in other stuff... and it is still pretty skinny. Just breaking it in...  

[Jim Harris]

I have made a new 450+ string for my Super Shrew to replace the noisy DF 97 string with B50 padded loops I had made.
 Six strands of 450+ and six strands of 450+ padding the loops. Very quiet and fast. It really zings an Easton Axis 500.
 I'm really starting to like this 450+....
     Jim

[Rufus 25]

Does anyone else notice that 450+ tends to "bleed" the color alot.  I have black and red and the black tends to get messy.

[Jim Harris]

I have green and tan 450+ and have noticed a slight bleeding of color. I have noticed it more with DF 97 and B50. I think most bowstring material bleeds some.  Jim

[Lee Robinson .]

Rufus,

You can get you a rag and wipe off the excess wax, which will help prevent the bleeding. When you wipe, keep turning the rag to use a clean area to prevent the bleeding. Once you get the excess off, it should be fine.

[Rufus 25]

Lee,  Thanks for the info. I'll give that a try.

[NoCams]

I could not get over how quiet Mason's new Shrew CH carbon foam bow was at Compton with NO silencers. Other carbon bows have a man made, " tink " sound to me. Not really the volume of the sound, just the high pitch metallic like man made sound that I know will turn a deer wrongside out at the shot.

I have not been a fan of 450+ in the past, had several strings come apart on my Shrews. However, after listening to Ron and how quiet Mason's bow is I am ordering me a few new strings from Ron and trying them again. I can see where the two strands of B50 would help dampen sound and also probably change the pitch of the sound to a lower octave ? By the time we add some silencers and another 100 grains of weight to Mason's arrow he is going to have a deer reaper for sure ! JMHO

[MSwickard]

I'm shooting a McCullough Griffin and it has a 6 strand 450+ w/ padded loops.  I believe John uses 6 strands od Dacron in the loops.  

The Griffin is extremely quite provided you use a heavy enough arrow.  I've noticed that if the arrow is less than 10 GPP the bow is a little louder.  Once I popped over 10 GPP+ it really got quite.  I'm shooting a 12.6 GPP arrow in this 53lb  bow and it is whisper quite.  This is with No Sting Silenters!

Mike

[NoCams]

Yep, arrow weight is a HUGE factor Mike ! One day in our local shop I was shooting my Shrew Scout Recurve and snuck in one of my buddies 390gr arrows with my quiver full. I was shooting arrows one after another and everyone in the shop was minding their own business, shopping and working on bows. When I let that 390gr arrow fly EVERYONE turned and looked my way ! I definitely prefer at least 10GPP or sometimes even more. Most of my hunting arrows are 550-600grains. And yes, my buddy started shooting heavier arrows after that day too ! Too make our bows as quiet as possible we have to experiment with not only strings but all the other stuff as well. I am a fan of the skinny string theory for sure. JMHO

nocams

[Jim's Mom]

I have noticed too that my heavier arrows are quieter. I shoot 460 grain 2016's on my Vyperkahn and Super Shrew. I recently got some 410 grain Easton Axis arrows. There is a very noticable diference in the noise. Those Axis arrows are louder for sure.

[Van/TX]

So what's the difference between 452 and Excel.  I'm trying a 3 bundle 16 strand Excel with 20 strands in the loops.  Like it so far.  Was using 10 strand 450+.  Liked it too.  I really can't tell any difference.  Both work fine...Van