Need some input....Youth Bowfishing(***updated with more new pix***)

[Todweelz]

Curt, send me your address I've got a couple of Talons already cut and screw-in point sharpened, I'd be happy to send one to you guy's to try out. Todd

[Guru]

Owl, the "trocar" gar point if what he used the other night, Came up with scales against the beginning of the barb 4 times.

Lowebow, Thanx for the tip!  Makes sense....

Jason, My Dad said the same thing last night when I ran the BH idea by him.  I wonder if it would cut down on the penetration though....

Chuck, I actually bough two fiberglass shafted driveway markers yesterday at HD. They are the kind with the round red reflectors on top. I thought they'd be great for what I need but have to come up with a way to get point system for the front, and a slide system. Should come out of the bow with some steam, thin dia. and solid shaft should penetrate very well.
 Outsert idea should work for a screw-in point system, but I wouldn't even know where to get something like that these days. I could taper the back end and use 1/4" glue-on nocks.
1/4' slide would take some figuring....

Let me know how it comes out Chuck...

Yeah Jim, I know he needs to be a bit bigger/stronger....but there's no holding him back now, so I need to figure something out. He's shooting well enough that he deserves to land a few...

Thanx Todd!

[Ryan Sanpei]

Guru,

What about a single "flipper" style barb.  We use it in Hawaii for diving.  You could mount it near the tip.  It lays flat for better penetration and once it opens, it holds really well.

Ryan

[VTer]

I agree with ChuckC, try the talon point. I didn't know the name of it, but it's the one he described. Another thing Guru, I read somewhere on a bowfishing site that those driveway markers are very brittle, not the same as a fiberglass arrow. Tell Cade not to worry, we've all reeled our arrows in with a scale stuck to the tip.

[ishoot4thrills]

Curt,

You might wanna look into this:  http://www.amsbowfishing.com/product_info.php?products_id=343
 It appears as though AMS is making a "Mini Arrow" which is 26" long and comes with a special point and is lighter in weight for slower speed kids' bows. I've been looking for something like this as well, but I haven't tried one yet.

[Stone Knife]

 Yeah Jim, I know he needs to be a bit bigger/stronger....but there's no holding him back now, so I need to figure something out. He's shooting well enough that he deserves to land a few...  

I hear ya Curt, when he does it will be awesome  

[Cyclic-Rivers]

Good luck Curt,

I understand your pain watching cade hit but not recover.  I was thinking along the lines of Jason by twisting the BH blades a bit to hopefully not allow the BH to come easily back out the same slit.

I have taken some tips that are on the market to the grinder to get them sharp after some pass through shots on the Wall kill. After a while I was shooting mushroomed tips.  They usually sharpen up nice.

Obviously safety will be an issue but i would look at putting small barbs on that BH if you still plan on using it. I would use the style mentioned earlier about the barb being bent in and flaring out at the tips.

Good Luck Cade with your next shot!!  

[3dmuzzy]

Curt,This might sound a little crude. but back when we were kids used to take a finish nail drill a hole just behind field tip and glue it in.Shape it with pliers,Landed a lot of carp with this set-up.Plus its cheap and those rocks are tuff on arrows...ED

[Cyclic-Rivers]

Curt, Now that Ed mentioned something, I remember using nails after the cheap barbs broke off when I was a kid. I cannot remember the stats, but I do recall it working most of the time. Of course we still had pull offs but I do now as well so whats the difference?

[aussiebowman]

Here are some examples of my set-up.  Very simple and effective.
In Australia, we have some strict rules in relation to bow fishing. All of the fish taken here have been done taking these rules into consideration.
The arrow I use, (the only one!) is an Osprey twins barb with 3 inch rubber flights. The flights do help in stabilizing the arrow out of the longbow. not such a problem I am led to believe with a compound.
   

[aussiebowman]

sorry dont quite know how to do the photos! If you click in the icon and follow the link you will get to the photo I want to show.
Cheers

[Guru]

This what the head looks like now. Sharpened back edge to a point, took down the blade width by grinding down the sharp edge, just leaving a 1/2" leading edge to cut, and flipped about 3/8" of the back end of the barbs...
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I've also cut his arrow down to 25", much better for him to handle...

Whatta ya think?

Not sure how the tack weld(or whatever it is Bear used to hold the front of the blade)will hold up. Definitely not for rocky bottoms either.

Looks like he 's gonna get a chance Friday night to try it out.


This is another old fishing head I had laying around. Nice small, sharp point. I filed down two sides to make it a little slimmer. But the shoulder of the bards is still pretty substantial. That seems to be what's hanging up on the scales
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[trad_bowhunter1965]

Curt
How about the Steel Force Carp Fish Tip it looks like it would get the job done. Blake

[Arwin]

Last year I commented that someone needs to come up with bowfishing arrows spined  for different draw weights. I didn't get many positive responses, in fact I got a few negatives, LOL!
 
  This thread is one of the reasons why I would like to see it happen.. I went/going through the same thing with my kids and think the penetration would improve greatly if the arrow matched the bow.

 Looks like AMS is thinking the same thing and coming out with their version. I opted to take 2018's and mount all the stuff on it like a fiberglass arrow for my set-up and use a 45/60 carbon done the same way for my daughter.

 You will be amazed how much better the arrow flies when it is matched to your bow.         The only thing I don't like about my modified arrows is that they aren't as durable as solid fiberglass.

 BTW I should get a patent or some capital to get some "proper" fishing arrows produced before some other company runs with it.    

[imskippy]

Nice looking Curt. I think that will do the trick for sure. I'm wondering how that fish point would work if you cut into the tip and placed a sharpened edge in there as wide as the shoulder of the barbs? Kinda like the front portion of your bear head just epoxied into the tip.

[Guru]

Just bought some cutting wheels this morning for my Dremmel to do just that....pix later...

[IndianaBowman]

Curt, let's try the Muzzy reel with the lighter 150# Spectra line. I know the AIMS retriever has very little drag but the cord gets wet and is pretty heavy. Maybe the light line will reduce drag and could increase speed/penetration. Does his bow have a stabilizer screw in?  If not, we can do it like I do for alligators. I'll hold the reel while he shoots.  

Anyway you look at, we ain't coming in on Friday until that boy boats a fish.  We may have to launch Cade at the fish, but we're getting him a fish.   :eek:

[imskippy]

good luck on Friday. I hope Cade gets to land one of those fish. I can see the endless smile on his face already.

[Dustin Waters]

just be very careful when unscrewing a sharpened head with a fish flopping around on the other end of the arrow.  that would be my concern with that type of head.

[Guru]

Terry, I'm just afraid he might not press the button on a spincaster.

As far as the safety thing...I'll be helping land anything he shoots, and will handle it next to the boat for sure.

Bet this one will work...
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A little crude, and not sure how long it will hold up(it's JB Welded in there), but I think it will cut just enough to allow the barbs to get in.