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Author Topic: Canoe for hunting?  (Read 1767 times)

Offline scbowhnter

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Canoe for hunting?
« on: July 07, 2010, 02:05:00 PM »
Guys,

I'm looking for a little advice for specs on a hunting canoe. I've identified some public ground near me that I can use a canoe or jon boat to access. I've never owned a canoe and was wondering if some of you guys who have used them might give me a list of things to look for? I would be using for deer hunting and it might involve carrying the canoe some.

Thanks!!
CJ

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Re: Canoe for hunting?
« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2010, 02:19:00 PM »
Here is another good place to look.

 http://www.directboats.com/

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Re: Canoe for hunting?
« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2010, 02:44:00 PM »
CJ,

I have an Old Town Discovery, 15ft with the middle seat. I think it looks more like the Osprey model they have now. We have had it for about 10 years now and it has performed flawlessly. We hunt and fish out it a lot.

I got it with the rowing package as well. This makes it prety easy to make good headway in rough water, against the wind, by myself.

A few things I think are important to have with a hunting canoe: Wide in the beam to handle loads, a fairly sharp entry to the water so it is easy to paddle while loaded, a good keel so you can stay on line with a load and a rigid bottom. Some canoes have lesser rigidity in the bottom and will "oil can". This helps some with stability but not with a load.

I don't have any trouble loading, unloading or portageing my boat even though it is a little heavier than a strict tripper type.

I think they have a square stern model if you are wanting to add a motor.

Holler if you have more questions.

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Re: Canoe for hunting?
« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2010, 03:00:00 PM »
Thanks guys! Great info.
CJ

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Re: Canoe for hunting?
« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2010, 03:05:00 PM »
There are two types of canoes- the type that is "canoe like", marketed for the summer BBQ at the lake crowd, and another type that is designed to perform under a lot of different conditions, including with a load and meant to go places far from the landing.
The first type will only cause you grief if you try to actually do anything with them. The second type are made for folks who go on multi day trips  and like to have some adventure anyway. So you will be well served with any number of this type canoe.

Most canoes made for consumers were first shortened versions of longer, proven designs. Eventually that morphed into canoes made to just "look" like a canoe.
That type is marketed to unknowing consumers and usually have flatter bottoms (seem more stable) have a big honking keel so yo don't have to know how to paddle to keep straight. These are shorter in general. Not that short canoes are all poor designs, but you have to know what to look for. A longer canoe can carry more, handle bigger water and is easier to paddle for longer periods. A canoe with a good design 17 feet long is actually quick to turn, tracks straight and can carry you, a buddy, gear (and a deer on the trip back).

Look for a canoe at least 16 foot long with a more rounded or shallow vee bottom section.  Though tippy to the uninitiated, this is actually a very forgiving design and has great secondary stability. Something you will appreciate if you get caught out on a lake and the wind picks up. Flat bottom canoes will seem stable, but do not retain that if you tip them very far. They will go over without much warning, don't handle waves very well and without a big keel to keep the bottms flat will oilcan.

 
 A really good way to learn about canoe design is look and read about the old guide canoes. They had to do a lot of things well under bad conditions.  
Then apply those traits to the newer designs as a bench mark. There are some pretty good modern hull shapes- Mad River is one example.
The canoe I built was patterned on an 1886 guide canoe. I used it everywhere- flat rivers, big lakes, small streams with quickwater. It had no keel and turned on a dime, but tracked like a dream. It was 18 foot 6 inches long.

 Not saying to go that route, but wanted to show how the lengths we are accustomed to seeing as "good" are not really that but just a way marketers tried to keep from scaring off consumers because they usually want a canoe the wifey can help lift or can fit on the Prius. A 17 or 18 foot canoe only seems long until you use it.
Hope this helps.

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Re: Canoe for hunting?
« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2010, 03:10:00 PM »
CJ,
Build one yourself....seriously.
Here's one that I built a couple of years ago:  http://sports.webshots.com/photo/1154446908054848947seOWfg
It's flat on the very bottom and stable enough to stand up in. It took me about 4 weekends to build, though I had some experience with epoxy/fiberglass already.
You can get plans for it from selway-fisher.com - it's called the "Raven" and is about 14' long.

I just sold it a couple of weeks ago to a good friend of mine - just wasn't using it and it was taking up too much space, but I'll build the exact same one if I want another one.
'Bout $200 in materials and you'll be floatin'.
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Re: Canoe for hunting?
« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2010, 03:15:00 PM »
You also might want to look at a tandem Kayak, can carry a load is stable and easy to paddle alone! I have an Old Town "twin Otter" that works great!
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Re: Canoe for hunting?
« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2010, 03:19:00 PM »
This may be a bit more expensive option but I'm picking up mine on Friday in LaCrosse, Wi. that will be mainly used for fishing small streams and lakes but I do plan to hunt with it when the  occasion arises. Check out his website at <www.riverridgecustomcanoes.com>.

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Re: Canoe for hunting?
« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2010, 04:29:00 PM »
I have an Old Town Tripper (for about 30+ years now), close to 18" long and about 80lbs. Great for tours, extended trips, etc., but a handfull to portage and move around unless you have a partner or are in good shape. The thing I prefer about the Tripper, is that it is WIDE, and thus much more stable in the water, even for taking a shot with my bow. Plus, with it's bigger size, it will carry more gear in, and or big game out. No matter what canoe you decide to get, ALWAYS wear your life vest!

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Re: Canoe for hunting?
« Reply #10 on: July 07, 2010, 04:30:00 PM »
I love using small rivers to access hunting areas. I've used a johnboat, a canoe, and a kayak, and the kayak is by far the easiest to handle getting in and out of the water. I have also used a canoe with trolling motor to access public land that borders a big lake, to help get away from other hunters. Got a couple of turkeys that way, listening from the water for gobbles.
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Re: Canoe for hunting?
« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2010, 04:38:00 PM »
CJ,

Tom had a great I idea, build one. That way you get exactly what you want.

Tom- That is a great looking boat! How much were the plans?
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Re: Canoe for hunting?
« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2010, 04:44:00 PM »
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Originally posted by Hit-or-Miss:
... No matter what canoe you decide to get, ALWAYS wear your life vest!
I'll second that. Its no longer "uncool" to have a floatation vest on.
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Re: Canoe for hunting?
« Reply #13 on: July 07, 2010, 04:52:00 PM »
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Originally posted by OkKeith:
CJ,

Tom had a great I idea, build one. That way you get exactly what you want.

Tom- That is a great looking boat! How much were the plans?
Thanks, CJ.
The plans are $69.  Go here and scroll down to see some other examples:  http://www.selway-fisher.com/Opcan16.htm  
If you're good with wood and have some experience with epoxy, you really can build it in about 4 days....all of it.
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Re: Canoe for hunting?
« Reply #14 on: July 07, 2010, 05:06:00 PM »
I have been on something like 60 wilderness trips in Canada and have used my canoes for hunting many places.  I have owned many canoes. For hunting I now use a kevlar Mad River Explorer, with the built in stem guards.  It is 16'4" with about 2" rocker and a slight v hull. You want some rocker for control in waves and current, it also helps with landings.  A good stable 16 footer is a Souris River, but getting one where you live may be harder. Do not be afraid to get your feet wet, no matter what canoe you get.  Life will be simpler and your canoe will thank you for it. Canoes that are heavy flat and hard to paddle will end up staying behind.  Canoes that are designed for speed on flat water like the Wenona Minnesota II are great for lakes and two people that weigh less than 200 poundsm but will fight with you everywhere else.  the wenona Spirit II or Adirondack will be better.  If you plan on bouncing it off rocks a lot a roylex will be heavier and tougher.  Stay away from polypropolenes, they are too heavy. Aluminums like the the Alumicraft Quetico models are okay, but they are noisier you will need two people and it is no guarantee that you will not blow a rivet if you bang them up. If you shoot out of a canoe there is no hull that will not rock if your drawing motion rocks the canoe.  You need a well balnced smoooth draw for that, but it has been done.  One note, if you are goose hunting with a pignut hickory self bow from a canoe, make sure the finish is perfect or it will get soaked and drink up half the marsh, and then lose about half its speed.

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Re: Canoe for hunting?
« Reply #15 on: July 07, 2010, 05:34:00 PM »
If you think you might want to try building one look up pirouges, pronounced pee-row. You can also look up the "4 hour canoe" and have about the same thing. Both are a perfectly flat bottom and are made from plywood.
  I bought a kit from Uncle John's store online but haven't had time yet. There is also a forum on building at southernpaddler.com
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Re: Canoe for hunting?
« Reply #16 on: July 07, 2010, 07:32:00 PM »
Great info and thanks to everyone for taking the time!!
CJ

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Re: Canoe for hunting?
« Reply #17 on: July 07, 2010, 08:03:00 PM »
I've got a 17' Mad River Explorer that I reccomend to anyone looking for a canoe that paddles well and carries a load.
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Re: Canoe for hunting?
« Reply #18 on: July 07, 2010, 08:41:00 PM »
I have an Old Town Stillwater.  It's short and wide and made for a couple small adults or one adult and a kid.  It really is a perfect solo canoe for me too.  At 56#, I can carry it easily.  It is well balanced and paddles easily.  I haven't used a lot of canoes but for lighter loads, this is the one for me.  It got a lot of time out on the water this weekend at the lake.  
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Re: Canoe for hunting?
« Reply #19 on: July 07, 2010, 09:26:00 PM »
If you are thinkng about making your own, check out the forum at  http://www.southernpaddler.com
I have been watching this site for quite a while trying to soak up knowledge in case I ever have a shed large enough to build a canoe of my own.  Good Luck.
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