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Author Topic: Picking the spot, Can you describe how it "feels"  (Read 1601 times)

Offline joebuck

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Re: Picking the spot, Can you describe how it "feels"
« Reply #20 on: July 11, 2010, 11:07:00 AM »
After i DRAW.. ...i Focus on a  a spot......move my arrow in line with spot through secondary vision...relax the back of my hand......remove tow strap from fanny pack.    :)    .............I'm a pause shooter..1-10 second hold....i decide exactly the millisecond to release arrow with my brain....nothing about my shot is unconscious....all i practice now is form, form,form ,form, follow through, follow through, follow through......I do not focus on  a spot till i draw because it cuts down on Premature release or "short draw".........thats works for me in my case..................there are tons of very very good instintive game shots, however i need more "rules" during my shot to correct my un-athleticism.
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Re: Picking the spot, Can you describe how it "feels"
« Reply #21 on: July 11, 2010, 08:30:00 PM »
It feels excellent   :bigsmyl:   )


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Re: Picking the spot, Can you describe how it "feels"
« Reply #22 on: July 11, 2010, 09:15:00 PM »
Good stuff folks. I've been thinking about this all day. In the last year and a half since I started shooting trad again I can only remember twice( on game) that I've KNOWN the arrow was goinging to the SPOT.
This thread has at least given me some sort of description of that FEELING.

 I can do it all day long on a target in the yard. I'm even shooting a blank target and just picking out little scuffs or wrinkles in the foam to shoot at.

I'm at the point now that I can identify the causes of the misses on game.Its usually not picking the spot but occasionally it happens when I do silly stuff like not bending at the waist out of a tree stand. Last week I shot under a hog at 10 yards.I was standing thigh deep in mud and the hog crossed behind me. I didn't reach full draw. Knew it as soon as I let fly... I'm blessed to be able to hunt pigs year round on my own property so I get lots of chances to refine my shooting. the shootings been good enough to keep us in pork all summer but theres been enough misses in there that I want to improve. a lot!

 Just have to get to the point where its not happening. Or at least its not happening more often than not! LOL
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Re: Picking the spot, Can you describe how it "feels"
« Reply #23 on: July 12, 2010, 12:43:00 AM »
I liked the green light reference above.
I have drawn back on animals and tried to make it happen by guessing where to hold, what to look at ect. Not too successful.
 When I am actually in a position that my mind is comfortable with, my mind tells me quite clearly, "I can hit that".  And I do!

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Re: Picking the spot, Can you describe how it "feels"
« Reply #24 on: July 12, 2010, 01:11:00 AM »
"In The Zone"
When you proactice enough and form and everything is at your optimal best and you have done it enough it happens you become part of the equation and everything clicks. The best hitters in baseball after seeing the ball enough can pick up the spin much the same as picking a spot. It becomes automatic and you can feel it when you are. But to keep it you have to practice... a lot.

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Re: Picking the spot, Can you describe how it "feels"
« Reply #25 on: July 12, 2010, 05:33:00 AM »
Standing at the toilet in the dark and hearing the splash in the bowl!!!

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Re: Picking the spot, Can you describe how it "feels"
« Reply #26 on: July 12, 2010, 07:57:00 AM »
Its all a blurrrrrr to me. As the critter is running off I seem to snap out of it and wonder what just transpired. Who needs drugs just go bowhunting.
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Re: Picking the spot, Can you describe how it "feels"
« Reply #27 on: July 12, 2010, 08:54:00 AM »
In archery, if your mind wanders so will the arrow.

The best I ever was as a traditional shot was in the early 70's (17-20 years old). In those days I could visualize a "tube" going from me to the spot I was trying to hit.  I began forming the "tube" (the tunnel some refer to above) during pre-draw. Once you get that feeling of zooming in on the small spot you must then take your mind off aiming (your eye will keep it going) and think about something that causes you to follow-through. I think "thumb to the shoulder".

I teach archery to teachers, most of which have never shot a bow. After shooting blank bales at 7 yards I reveal the tareget. The arrow groups get larger. This is because the teachers forget to focus on the "back of the shot" (follow-through). Once the point is made the groups re-tighten. Then I have them put a tiny piece of tape on the target to look at (pick a spot).  For most the groups tighten much more then.

You probably already know that if you poke an arrow hole in the middle of a paper plate and look at it, your groups are smaller than when shooting at the paper plate without a hole. You can prove this by not looking at the hole, just the entire plate.  This stesses the importance of seeing or imagining that errant hair, shadow, etc. that is in the kill zone of the deer, hog, etc. you want to kill.

Finally, there is another way of aiming without sights that works very well. It is caught "point of aim".  There are three parts to it. 1). When you anchor see the bow string in the corner of your eye. 2). Then see the point of the arrow. 3). Put the point of the arrow on, below, or above the target, depending upon how far you are from the target. For instance at 14 yards, the point of my arrow (when I experimented with this) has to be about 6 inches below the heart to hit it. Of course with this method you are forced to pick your spot so you can reference the point of your arrow to it. By the way, then you must complete the shot by properly releasing, following through, and then reflecting on how the shot "felt".

I'm a gap shooter. I must pick a spot and I subconsciously (more or less) see the appropriate gap between the arrow point and the spot. The more I practice at various distances the more subconscious the gap will become and the more I will "think" I'm shooting instinctively -- and technically I suppose that's the definition of an instinctive shooter -- I see the spot and shoot it.

By the way, many veterans (I write this with respect)scoff at this point-of-aim method. I can tell you this. After shooting compounds since 1975, and sights on compounds since around 1981 I began in earnest teaching myself to shoot recurves without sights this past December. I started with point of aim as described above. After a while I was able to consciously ignore the bowstring and even the point of the arrow but I still saw a vague gap. Now, it appears as if my bow arm knows where to be at the distances I practice (14-25 yards)and all I have to do is stare a hole in the tiniest spot I can imagine. I think I've stumbled upon (for me) how to train onself to be a subsconscious or instinctive aimer. The proof for me is when I've comme to anchor and then second guess the elevation of my bow arm by raising or lowering it, I invariably miss high or low respectively -- 90% of the time (or greater) I should have trusted my first "instinct".

Finally, one more emphasis on the archery's form, shot execution, and follow-through. All of these must become subconscious skills eventually so you don't forget to do any of them correctly. One example, the bow arm must be allowed to move during the shot (very slightly) and during follow-through (dramatically). When we were learning to shoot those who told us to "keep the bowarm still, up and unmoving until after the arrow hits the target" told us wrong. This is unnatural and causes us to fight the shot. Trying to do this can lead to all kinds of problems, one of which is a "soft bow arm" which leads to creeping. When I forget to do this (lean slightly into the bow grip)I hit a few inches to the right (I shoot LH). With the drawing hand if I don't think about sliding my hand (very quickly-reflexively because my active back muscles execute the shot) along the face, under the ear until the thumb touches the shoulder, I will hit left.

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Re: Picking the spot, Can you describe how it "feels"
« Reply #28 on: July 12, 2010, 10:16:00 AM »
it's kinda like when you saw your first boobie.Same stare and same feeling...LOL   :goldtooth:
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Re: Picking the spot, Can you describe how it "feels"
« Reply #29 on: July 12, 2010, 10:17:00 AM »
double post sorry
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Re: Picking the spot, Can you describe how it "feels"
« Reply #30 on: July 12, 2010, 10:28:00 AM »
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Originally posted by wapitimike1:
Standing at the toilet in the dark and hearing the splash in the bowl!!!
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Re: Picking the spot, Can you describe how it "feels"
« Reply #31 on: July 12, 2010, 11:20:00 AM »
When it all comes together I know the arrow is going to hit its intended spot even before I release.  For some reason as I raise the bow and start to draw my focus on the spot becomes clear and everything becomes automatic.  It is a cool feeling when it happens.  My problem is, it doesn't happen nearly as often as I would like. I just don't have the natural ability to make it happen all the time,  I have to really work at it.  Similar to what Doc Nock said, when I am having trouble focusing the harder I try the more mentally fatigued I get, and things often just go from bad to worse.  At that point I just usually walk away and come back when I have a clearer mind.  If I try to muscle through it, I get more frustrated and end up re-enforcing bad habits.
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Re: Picking the spot, Can you describe how it "feels"
« Reply #32 on: July 12, 2010, 12:11:00 PM »
The first deer I shot with trad had a burr caught in her fur right behind her shoulder.  If I were a bettin man, I'd say the good spirit wanted that deer to be there.  All I remember when the string slipped from my fingers was that burr.  Every deer I have missed since then, I think back on the miss and realize I saw the whole damn deer and not that burr.  Im still waiting on one of those big hogs to step out with a burr stuck in his fur in the right spot.

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Re: Picking the spot, Can you describe how it "feels"
« Reply #33 on: July 12, 2010, 03:33:00 PM »
This is all about "focus"...  When it's right a feeling of predetermination comes over me.. You know the arrow will hit where your looking..


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Re: Picking the spot, Can you describe how it "feels"
« Reply #34 on: July 12, 2010, 08:07:00 PM »
When everything comes together as planned, I often dont recall pulling back the the bow or loosing the arrow. I believe it is a combination of extreme focus and stimulus overload that puts me in "cruise control". I guess that is where all the practice comes into play.

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Re: Picking the spot, Can you describe how it "feels"
« Reply #35 on: July 12, 2010, 08:24:00 PM »
It feels like a nice warm blank nothingness
deep inside your ooblah-doolah-oblongotta.
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Re: Picking the spot, Can you describe how it "feels"
« Reply #36 on: July 12, 2010, 09:51:00 PM »
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it's kinda like when you saw your first boobie.Same stare and same feeling...LOL    :goldtooth:  
Hahaha, Tim that's it exactly, standing there with a blank stare and your mouth wide open...I now know why I love bowhunting. Thanks Bro.
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Re: Picking the spot, Can you describe how it "feels"
« Reply #37 on: July 12, 2010, 10:15:00 PM »
Even when you think you're focusing on a small spot you're actually not. I got a lesson the other day on focus. We were shooting ballons inflated to about 4 inches. We all pretty much kept 5 inch groups. The guy who was blowing up the ballons started making them tiny just to mess with us. He was putting up 1" to 1 1/2" balloons. It shocked me but all our groups went down to about 2 inches or a little less. After 45 years of huntig wiht stickbows I thought i had the concentration thing down pretty good but I Guess none of us were concentrating on as small a spot as we thought we were before.
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Re: Picking the spot, Can you describe how it "feels"
« Reply #38 on: July 12, 2010, 10:57:00 PM »
Sorry, meant to say "sometimes" you're actually not.
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Re: Picking the spot, Can you describe how it "feels"
« Reply #39 on: July 13, 2010, 12:12:00 PM »
swamp donkey
You've landed on the real challenge of picking that spot. It is VERY difficult for some not to see the whole thing -- its that mind wandering thing. Now, if you put a black dot on that balloon you'd find it much easier to ignore the edges of the balloon and your group would be through the balloon.  This reminds me of an old Little League coaching technique (I coached my son for about 10 years). You put different colored dots (ball about nicke-size) on baseballs. You pitch the ball to the youngster and ask, after he swings, what color was the dot? At first the kids can't see the dot (you have to put about 4 dots-same color-- on the ball on different sides). This causes the batter to really SEE the ball and of course focuses his "aim" with the bat. My son ended up playing 3rd base in college and was always a very good hitter. Sorry, I guess I'll be bragging on my kids until I can't.

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