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razorsharptokill
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Stone points for Black Bear?
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July 14, 2010, 05:11:00 PM »
How about it? Anyone ever used them or heard any results?
I'm hunting in idaho, in Sept. Are they legal?
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Re: Stone points for Black Bear?
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July 14, 2010, 05:17:00 PM »
Can't tell you if they are legal in Idaho, but I do know of one in Quebec that didn't go far when I ran a Knife River point through his chest
Stone points are deadly
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bornagainbowhunter
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Re: Stone points for Black Bear?
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July 14, 2010, 05:26:00 PM »
Yup, throw rocks at them and they will not go far.
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Re: Stone points for Black Bear?
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July 14, 2010, 05:51:00 PM »
Can't think of a better way...unless you forge your own broadheads
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jason1040
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Re: Stone points for Black Bear?
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July 14, 2010, 06:22:00 PM »
Here is a link to the Fish and Game rules
http://www.fishandgame.idaho.gov/cms/hunt/rules/bg/rules.pdf
From what I understand it only addresses that there are to be no mechanical broadheads. And that they must be wider than 7/8" and not barbed. Do your own checking on it, but it didn't state that it had to be made of steel.
What area will you be hunting?
Good luck.
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Tom Phillips
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Re: Stone points for Black Bear?
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July 14, 2010, 06:35:00 PM »
Heck Yea STONE POINTS (made by TG Member Woodie "Knife River" Blackwell) work on Black Bears like WHIP & TIPPIT I have successfully Harvested 2 Black Bears In Canada with them and am a Member of TEAM Knife River as well.I also was successful on another Black Bear with Stone Point made by TG member TED FRY.
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Re: Stone points for Black Bear?
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July 14, 2010, 06:47:00 PM »
American Indians made a living using stone points and many a bear including Grizzlies and Polar Bears have died from them over the millenia.
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ozy clint
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Re: Stone points for Black Bear?
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July 14, 2010, 10:08:00 PM »
put it where it counts and they will zip though a blackbear. i have a couple of woodie's points that hopefully will bring down some pigs and a scrub bull in the next month. stone is amazingly good at cutting flesh! you wouldn't think so when you rub your finger along the edge of a stone tool but if you've ever taken to an animal with a stone knife you soon realise why the ancients survived and thrived......it cuts!
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razorsharptokill
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Re: Stone points for Black Bear?
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July 14, 2010, 10:27:00 PM »
That is what I found. No barbs and not less than 7/8" wide. How about this one? Think it will work? It will be out of a 62"ntn 55lb @28" sinew backed Osage longbow.
It is 312 gr, 1" 3/8" wide, 2 1/2" long. I'll have to chip the barbs off though.
I think one a little more 3 to 1 ratio would be a better pentrator. I'm a beliver in Kniferiver's take on what stone points work.
This may work better.
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Re: Stone points for Black Bear?
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July 14, 2010, 10:59:00 PM »
Bears and deer are about the same thing as far as what you need to kill them. I don't use stone points cuz I don't know how to make em, but I wouldn't hesitate to use them.
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getstonedprimitivebowhunt
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Re: Stone points for Black Bear?
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July 15, 2010, 06:46:00 AM »
I'd use a head a bit smaller ...but if it flys good and not to far ... go for it...Jeff
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Re: Stone points for Black Bear?
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July 15, 2010, 07:19:00 AM »
As to size, these have all shoot right through black bears for me. When I first saw Woody's stone head mounted, I thought it would bounce off...Wrong
Doc
Left to right:
Team Tippit forged head 300gr
Woody's stone point
Wensel Woodsman 125gr with 110gr steel insert
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razorsharptokill
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Re: Stone points for Black Bear?
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July 15, 2010, 08:41:00 AM »
What did that stone point weigh?
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Re: Stone points for Black Bear?
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July 15, 2010, 08:55:00 AM »
You need to find out how your state defines barbed.I think that head would be considered barbed in a lot of states.There should be plenty of good designs that wouldn't be.
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razorsharptokill
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Re: Stone points for Black Bear?
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July 15, 2010, 11:21:00 AM »
Idaho regs state that it has to be 90 degrees to the edge I believe.
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Jim Richards
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razorsharptokill
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Re: Stone points for Black Bear?
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Reply #15 on:
July 15, 2010, 06:26:00 PM »
Yeah I think this head is a little too wide and not tapered enough. I have some that will do better. My selfbow is 55lbs @28.
I was going to bring my BW recurve and my selfbow. Two tags.. two bows.
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Bill Skinner
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Re: Stone points for Black Bear?
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July 15, 2010, 08:56:00 PM »
I prefer a side notch like the one shown. I would go for about 1 1/8" wide and about 2 1/4" long. I also like the hafting area no thicker than 1/2 the thickness of my shaft. Any thicker and it is not supported and will split or break the shaft if it hits bone. I also prefer a beveled edge, it will leave a little more strength in the point. Bill
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razorsharptokill
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Re: Stone points for Black Bear?
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July 19, 2010, 09:41:00 AM »
I have a flint and two obsidian points that will fit the bill I believe. Shot the flint point yesterday. It is on a rivercane shaft I cut with wild turkey feathers that I harvested. It shoots well out of my selfbow.
Here is the flint point.
A Dacite point.
The tiger striped obsidian point at 4 o'clock.
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Jim Richards
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KBE
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Re: Stone points for Black Bear?
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Reply #18 on:
July 20, 2010, 08:50:00 AM »
I shot a 275# black bear last month with one of Woody's heads. The head was a touch longer than 3" and a bit wider than 1 1/8". It weighed 214gr. for a total arrow weight of 590gr. on a tonkin cane shaft. This combination flew well out of my 48# osage-sinew bow made by Ted Fry.
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razorsharptokill
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Re: Stone points for Black Bear?
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July 20, 2010, 05:34:00 PM »
How did it perform? How thick is a bear hide? Like deer?
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Jim Richards
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