Hogs with shields and penetration!

[RC]

A Shield is not scar tissue. It is cartlidge or however you spell it. A penned hog never in a fight will grow a heck of a sheild.Just like deer antlers some are thicker than others but I`ve never seen a mature boar with less than a 1 " sheild. Most 1.5" at the thickest spot.I have seen one that was 2".RC

[joebuck]

Hopefully I can give my honest opinion based on my experience not to get run off.......given all things equal (sharpness of head,weight of arrow/head,arrow flying ). The ultimate shield penetrator is a 2 blade 1 1/4" wide single bevel head shot within 12yards. If you shoot through every hog you shoot, you have a tremendous start of finding it versus a hog just shot on one entrance wound. Hardest blood trail to follow is a bow shot big boar out of a tree stand with only a high entrance wound to disperse blood trail.

[Terry Green]

Correct on your entire post RC.      

YES, you can SEE the shield on some hogs....the hog in the video had a shield that could be seen the 1st time I saw him at 75 yards....it was very pronounce and looked like saddle bags.

Again, look at the video and you can plainly see it.

[Terry Green]

Joey....get this.  One of the BEST two blade blood trails I ever saw was that hog in the video....shot with a WIDE ACE Super Espress shot from a tree with NO exit hole!!!  However it was NOT a high hit as you described.....but a mid-level entrance...

The arrow pegged the off upper leg bone.  I could not believe the blood trail left till I figured it out. The shield was held open by the shaft and when the boar brought all of his legs together on his death dash, the blood was forced out the wide gash in the hard shield.


 
 
   


 

   

   

[Terry Green]

       

       

       

       

       

     

[Brock]

I used to like showing an example Paul Brunner did years ago about broadhead penetration on thick hides.  He had what looked like a Rocky Mountain Supreme bullet tip....a Muzzy chisel tip and then I think they were Zwickey 2blades.

He had a bathroom scale, an arrow, and elk hide....pulling straight down on both sides of hide with arrow standing on scale and perpindicular to hide as if a side profile shot being made.  The bullet point would not go through with normal arm strength....the chisel point went through but took quite a bit of pressure before it tore into hide and let blades cut.....the 2 blade head went through like butter.

for what it was worth....

Ever since then I use two blade heads....and if it is three blade it is also a cut on contact such as Snuffer.  I would like to see it now a days with some of the mechanical heads.  With enough force you can get anything to penetrate but at what cost to efficiency?

[BenBow]

Dang Terry I can smell that guy from here.

[stickbowmaniac]

Great post.Nice pig Terry.I agree 55lb min on big hogs and good arrow placement.There super tuff.

[Margly]

The tissues you can see in the shield, is it scars from fighting or similar?

I`ve actually never seen something like that before.

Thanks for sharing.

Margly

[Chester Thompson]

Buff, how did you ever recover that hog? Hahahaha

[Steel]

I killed two very large mature wild boars this fall/spring using 2 blade broadheads/Carbon arrows and a 50lb BW PCH-X and a BW PSA-X 47lb bows at 27" draw. The arrow stayed in both hogs but came through the far side lung shots.One was down in 15 yards the other went about 30 yards.I would be more concerned about shot placement and correct broadhead/arrow combo vs poundage.

 


 

[Fishnhunt]

Awesome video Buff!!!

[Margly]

After seeing the videos and pics I decided to make some new training arrows for my hunt at Hogheaven in Sept/Oct.

They weigh in at + - 495 grains + broadhead(Easton FMJ 340)

 

With my heaviest broadhead they will have a total weight of ca 795 grains and with the lightest head(WW) they will have a total of ca 740 grains.

Shot from a 65# longbow or recurve I`ll guess I`m heavy enough.

The decision I guess is entirely which broadhead to use:

 

from left the Centaur big game head, the grizzly el grande, the Centaur battle axe or the woodsman.

They all fly excellent so if anybody have some opinions I would appreciate that as well.

Margly

[T Lail]

that's as cool a video on a hog shot as I have ever seen.....have killed some pigs, nothing over 140 and used a bow weight of 56# at 27 inches....zwicky 4 blade heads on two and magnus on a couple....did shoot a large hog in Ga. that was at least 225...hit too high and only got about 3 inches of penetration.....he broke arrow off on a sapling and went right back to eating acorns......

[JimB]

Margly,I think you are in business.

[RC]

All those heads would work but on a 200 plus pig you`ll wish you had the woodsman or grizzley on.RC

[Terry Green]

Steel....yep, shot placement is ALWAYS paramount....as is arrow flight and broadhead sharpness.  And yes, you do need to match your broadhead in according to your poundage....broadheads are tools, and ya need to pick the best one for the job at hand depending on your bow weight and targeted game.

BTW, where did you kill those hogs?  Was it a ranch somewhere?

[Terry Green]

Originally posted by BUFF:
I shoot fairly heavy equipment ... 74# bow with 700 grain arrow. I have killed a train car load of hogs. I can count on 1 hand how many I have shot that the arrow didn't say in.


 

Yep....and most downward shots on hog, like close range and tree stands DON"T result in a hit that passes through due to hogs being so low to the ground that a downward shot causes the arrow to exit and hit the ground.  Not saying this is the case with BUFF's....but my experience has been ....'on the ground so is the arrow since it blows through, from above they flee with the arrow'...again, from the arrow exiting an stopping due to hitting mother earth.

Just something to think about....

[chopx2]

Originally posted by Terry Green:
  And yes, you do need to match your broadhead in according to your poundage....broadheads are tools, and ya need to pick the best one for the job at hand depending on your bow weight and targeted game.

Terry can you elaborate on matching the BH to poundage for hogs?

Shooting 52# R/D LB 650gr carbon arrow total weight. Planning to use either Elgrandes or VPAs. What do you think of that set-up?

[Terry Green]

CHOPS....I think with that poundage if you wanted to not worry AT ALL about ANY hog that came by,....I'd choose the El Grandes....less you have a 30+ inch draw, then I'd shoot the VPAs.

Just got off the phone with a guy that called me about this very thing shooting your poundage, and he was looking at Abowyers....the Wapiti...and I told him to run with it.  Great choice for any hog that happened by.

No matter what you choose.....get the sharp!!!!

BTW, that's a good arrow weight at your poundage for hogs.  Momentum is key...best of luck to ya.  Ya going back to Rays?