What a load of

[robtattoo]

Originally posted by LongStick64:
And once again being Deadly Accurate has absolutely Nothing to do with speed.

Unless, like me, you really struggle with distance judging, in which case a bow that shoots to the same point at 22 yards as it does at 15 is a great aid in 'Deadly Accurate' shooting.
I have to completely & utterly disagree here. Speed is condusive to accuracy. It's absolutely not nescesarry for a killing shot, by any means, but the fact is that a flatter shooting projectile is inherently more accurate than one with a 'looping' trajectory.
Are my Morrisons fast? In comaparison to other traditional bows, absolutely. Compared to a compound? Not even close, but I'm not going to trade 'em out for something slower, just to be more 'trad'  :D

[ChuckC]

Turkey.. lots of reasons.  It feels better in my hand.. it looks better to my eyes,  it is lighter / heavier, redder / greener.  The bow might be made my me, a family member, a friend.  It may have some significant meaning far and above "speed".

As long as I can hit with it, what difference does the speed mean ?

You know. .  I used to speak of unity, of one group, archers.  But I am losing that stance, more every year.  

They are actually very little like me.  Nearly nothing that they think and want and espouse mirrors what I feel.  And to include crossbow shooters is not even a cute joke.  They are totally different.

ChuckC

[mickeys4]

I bought my first bow from Dan Quillian and he  had an answer for speed seekers."It doesn't matter how fast your arrow is if my arrow gets there first."I used to drive my nephew crazy shooting my longbow against his super fast overdraw compound bow.We'd stand 15 or so yards from the target and on "Go" we would raise our bows and shoot at the dot on the target.Guess who's arrow got there first?After lining up his peep sight his sight picture would include my arrow on the way to the target.He'd get frustrated and hurry to try and beat me and the results were his shot would be worse than mine even with all that technology to fall back on.

[robtattoo]

I think the big thing to remember here (This'll piss a few folks off....) is that probably 80%+ of bowhunters, are bowhunters for the 3 or 4 weeks of the year before gun season opens up. They have a 'gun' mentality that is ruled by FPS, FtLbs, KE, ME & all that other mathematical bobbins. The bowhunting shows on the idiot-box are aimed squarely at the gun-hunters who want to stretch their season, not the dedicated, year round, 4 season bowhunter.

[LongStick64]

Rob,
I agree with you that the Morrison bows are fast but are they advertised as such, does Bob post bow speeds, you know the answer, no he doesn't. Go to most compound bow sites and the first thing they hit you with is speed. It's as if speed alone is all you need. The value of a few fps does help with range estimation, with some people. Consider this, most on this site have a number of bows on their rack, does anyone adjust their form in any way to shoot them. I would say they probably vary in speeds, doesn't mean we change an aspect of our form.
I can't tell you how many times I'm approached at the range on what speed am I shooting, very rarely do I get any other question. The only other question I get is how do I hit the bullseye without a sight. Ugh.

[bucksdown]

mickeys4 you took the words right out of my mouth, dan quillins comment was what i was thinking. we all know there is far more that goes into killing an animal than the soeed of an arrow once it leaves the bow. my blackwidow is faster than the old bows but they have been killing animals for years. i wonder what ishi would say, or the mongolians for that matter. for her comment, forest gump comes to mind, stupid is as stupid does.  

[Turkeys Fear Me]

Originally posted by ChuckC:
Turkey.. lots of reasons.  It feels better in my hand.. it looks better to my eyes,  it is lighter / heavier, redder / greener.
ChuckC

Apparently you missed the "all things being equal" part of my statement.  

My point is and was, when it comes to bows, speed and good manners are not mutually exclusive.  You can have them both.

[lpcjon2]

Originally posted by robtattoo:
I think the big thing to remember here (This'll piss a few folks off....) is that probably 80%+ of bowhunters, are bowhunters for the 3 or 4 weeks of the year before gun season opens up. They have a 'gun' mentality that is ruled by FPS, FtLbs, KE, ME & all that other mathematical bobbins. The bowhunting shows on the idiot-box are aimed squarely at the gun-hunters who want to stretch their season, not the dedicated, year round, 4 season bowhunter.

 Presidential elect Robtattoo    

[Gordy]

Originally posted by cartman308:
In my opinion archers are archers PERIOD!   That includes longbow shooters, recurve shooters, compound shooter and even (gast!!!) crossbow shooters!  

There's a good reason they always used to put the genoese crossbowmen up front in a battle .....
I'm just sayin .....  
   

[Bill Sant]

I've read a lot of well intended people here rant about TV shows and how the NEW bowhunters know nothing of our sport or "our ways" of doing things, and you are correct, BUTTTT if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.  Teach a young person or any person for that matter, the way of our sport.  IBEP courses, boy scout outings, school groups, archery clubs anywhere.  If this place is the only forum that anybody uses then we are doomed to go the way of the dinosaurs.  Sorry for the rant but c'mon guys we need to be pro-active.
As far as speed, well the widow shoots a pretty arch out past 40 yards.  Arch as in Arch--ery.

[lpcjon2]

I wish I had a longbow or recurve with 80% let off or a full shoulder stock and a scope! I'm in it to challenge myself and find the spirit of my forefathers. I have done the wheels and tech stuff and it's like on line dating(no rejection if you lie about yourself).I like the thrill of the chase,and the feel of buckskin briefs.    

[LongStick64]

Bill
I'm a big believer that change comes from the top, leaders lead so others can follow. This is a forum in my opinion of leaders, this is the starting point.
I agree we need to be proactive but keep it in perspective here. No one here has the ability to mass advertise like the big compound companies can, any small grassroots movement here is up against almost every archery shop trying to make a buck. Safe to say 99% do so by selling compounds. Compounds that in recent years are promoted based on speed.
I'll say that I don't have anything against compound bows, they have their place and account for more bowhunters/archers in the United States than traditional bows. The majority usually wins.

I have a yew longbow that is way faster than the Matthews bows I have seen.  I can put two arrows in a deer at 25 yards before they even hit anchor on their first arrow.  I don't need them to stop and pose for pictures either.  There is something extremely limiting about a shooting system that one can only use when the setup is as perfect as a foam deer target placed in that just right position. The deer we shoot have a way of not being very cooperative, I need equipment that allows me to be flexible. Ever notice how wheelie guys don't carry their bows when they are walking around seeing who they can crowd out on public land during the deer season? Happens here all the time.
It is because they know that they have no chance of shooting anything. Just last year I saw them walking around, they were later telling me how people walking around are moving all the deer out. When I asked why no bows? They acted like they had never heard of such a thing, mid day scouting with a bow in your hand, how absurd.
I wonder if they were the ones that stole my tree stands.

[Buckeye Trad Hunter]

As long as the arrow is fast enough to get effective penetration I'm going to be more concerned with how loud my bow is.  Bottom line, until your bow is faster than the speed of sound you are arguing a mute point.

About the guys shooting deer at 50 yds., if you're going to shoot something that far away why not gun hunt?  Isn't that kinda the point in bow hunting, to get close.

[Covey]

I read somwhere once.. "until the arrow is faster than the speed of sound, a quiet bow is alot more deadly than a loud fast bow" I couldnt' aggree more!! Jason

[Andy Cooper]

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[toppredator]

Well said, speed is nothing the only thing that matters is shot placement and knowing your equipment.

[Eugene Slagle]

When I was shooting compound I would get into the discussion with some over the speed when talking about my gear "they'd say You're only getting *** out of it?" "why have such a heavy arrow when you can have a lighter one & go faster."

Well I'm done with that, the only time I discuss my bows speed is only that it doesn't need to be that fast to get there, just as long as I hit what I was aiming for.
Shoot I only look at the speed of my bow to see if I'm consistent shot after shot.

[Flesner]

My arrows go all the way through deer. How much faster do they need to be?

[Flesner]

My arrows go all the way through deer. How much faster do they need to be?