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L. E. Carroll
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Schafer speed....Can these numbers be right? new #'s pg 3
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September 03, 2010, 12:20:00 PM »
Yesterday at the local archery shop, I put my "new to me" 56# 60" Schafer thru the crono with my 460gn 'test arrow' [ yes I realize it's a bit light at 8.5 gpp ]
I was blown away with the following #'s 227,228 and 231 fps :eek: !! Can these be correct numbers? I was shooting split finger with a very slick glove and concentrating on a smooth realese with each shot and drawing a full 28 1/2" [ So figure in the neighborhood of 57 1/2# ]... Do you think these #'s are possible?
This Schafer is a bit different, in the fact that it has a very thin black layer in the limb lams just under the veneers on the Back [ non belly side ] of the limbs and another on the belly side of the limb wedges however this one stops at the fadeouts.. None of my other schafers have ever had this laminate :confused:
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Re: Schafer speed....Can these numbers be right? new #'s pg 3
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September 03, 2010, 12:41:00 PM »
I would check another bow to get a better idea. I know they are fast bows, but those numbers are up there with cam compounds. I read a test of a ton of different bows one of the bowyers did last year. Only a very few made it to 200 fps. ,with mechanical release. They actually had a machine made to draw and release. All were shooting 10 grains per pound of weight arrows.
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beemann
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Re: Schafer speed....Can these numbers be right? new #'s pg 3
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September 03, 2010, 12:45:00 PM »
I had a 60lb that blew my mind. Never shot thru a chrony but it seemed to shoot as hard as my 70 lb. widows. bryan
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SERGIO VENNERI
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Re: Schafer speed....Can these numbers be right? new #'s pg 3
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September 03, 2010, 12:56:00 PM »
Absolutely Fast AWESOME BOWS !!!!!
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Johnny UMAA
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Re: Schafer speed....Can these numbers be right? new #'s pg 3
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September 03, 2010, 01:16:00 PM »
That is amazing.
I have a 1988 original Schafer at 62", 55# @ 29 and I have shot and tested my Easton Alum 2216's with 125gr. points/zwickey's and I have a chroned speed of 188fps. I truly am on;y pulling 28 inches so I figure that my poundage is more like 52#.
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Re: Schafer speed....Can these numbers be right? new #'s pg 3
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September 03, 2010, 01:16:00 PM »
unlikely.
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Johnny UMAA
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Re: Schafer speed....Can these numbers be right? new #'s pg 3
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September 03, 2010, 01:24:00 PM »
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Originally posted by beachbowhunter:
unlikely.
I agree, but I don't know if that is carbon or if it is that it WOULD make such a difference in the speed...I guess the shop owner could have his chrono checked and re-calibrated and then let yo give it a "go" again.
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joe vt
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Re: Schafer speed....Can these numbers be right? new #'s pg 3
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September 03, 2010, 01:28:00 PM »
I dont have that layer in my Tip limbs.
Gene, you got some other gerat performers in your staple and I know you must have chrono'd them. If your chrono is working good then I would believe those numbers.
That is F A S T !!
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L. E. Carroll
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Re: Schafer speed....Can these numbers be right? new #'s pg 3
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September 03, 2010, 01:40:00 PM »
Thanks guys...this is a relatively "new crono" at the shop, as someone recently destroyed their old one with a devastating shot thru the works of the previous one... I will set mine up and confirm, but just wanted to know what others thought of these numbers and to see if anyone else was familiar with Schafer bows with this thin black strip in their limb laminate arrangement.
I know that the shop owner was "blown away' by those numbers also!
Gene
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Re: Schafer speed....Can these numbers be right? new #'s pg 3
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September 03, 2010, 01:52:00 PM »
Sorry bud, but it didn't happen!
I would check the chrony. I wouldn't expect over 200 fps with those parameters.
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L. E. Carroll
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Re: Schafer speed....Can these numbers be right? new #'s pg 3
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September 03, 2010, 01:52:00 PM »
BTW, I recently got this "little screamer" in trade with a side mount Great Plains adjustable quiver, in exchange for my "Origional 64" [checkered grip] Schafer" and a spare set of origional 62" limbs....It was a "tuff trade' to make. But, I think as the quote in Dances With Wolves.... "Good Trade" is applicable... What do you guys think?
Gene
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ChuckC
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Re: Schafer speed....Can these numbers be right? new #'s pg 3
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September 03, 2010, 02:02:00 PM »
Those numbers you tossd out indicate 8 gpp of bow and maybe just a tad less, depending on what you bow is at your draw length. I suggest you try it with somethig 10 gpp and compare.
I think that with 8 it is possible those numbers are right.
ChuckC
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SERGIO VENNERI
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Re: Schafer speed....Can these numbers be right? new #'s pg 3
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September 03, 2010, 02:18:00 PM »
Hap; Your numbers are probably correct, But your arrows are WAY overspined and the Original Silvertips were not Fastflite compatible. These bows are crazy fast and stable!! but if you really want to compare a "Tip against other Bows,shoot for Point on Distance.
Enjoy your'Tip , been shooting them since 1982.
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Re: Schafer speed....Can these numbers be right? new #'s pg 3
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September 03, 2010, 02:18:00 PM »
I would shoot through another chrono and compare.
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Re: Schafer speed....Can these numbers be right? new #'s pg 3
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September 03, 2010, 02:19:00 PM »
my griffin shot 190 through the same chrono..three arrows same speed..650 gr..62@29 1/2.i know for a fact that my arrows are going faster than anything i have ever had before,if youre shooting 8gpp then its probably correct.
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Re: Schafer speed....Can these numbers be right? new #'s pg 3
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September 03, 2010, 02:27:00 PM »
correction...i had a cheyenne that shot the same arrows at 197.
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Re: Schafer speed....Can these numbers be right? new #'s pg 3
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September 03, 2010, 02:28:00 PM »
I was at a shoot a couple of years ago, where the compound boys were playing around with their machines in a speed contest. they were all claiming the chrono was off at least -30 fps. A gentleman with a short BW and alluminum 2016s shot 3 arrows, his draw varied from 27" to 28" and so did his arrow speed, 218, 216, and 222. The numbers may be right that you are getting.
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Bjorn
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Re: Schafer speed....Can these numbers be right? new #'s pg 3
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September 03, 2010, 02:53:00 PM »
I have gotten numbers like that with my chrono shooting my new Schafer or old ACS. It is usually the lighting that does it. Just move the chrono to another spot or put in new batteries, nothing to get too excited about.
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BCD
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Re: Schafer speed....Can these numbers be right? new #'s pg 3
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September 03, 2010, 02:54:00 PM »
No way its that fast IMO. I had a Schafer-nice bows for sure, but not speed demons by any means.
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Re: Schafer speed....Can these numbers be right? new #'s pg 3
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September 03, 2010, 03:06:00 PM »
I think our local police dept use your chrono Gene.
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