Schafer speed....Can these numbers be right? new #'s pg 3

[md126]

still great numbers and performance. also a very stable and smooth shooter..


as far as the black lamination. all my schafers have it and i don't think it's carbon. the two windauer schafers i have now are from 04 and 06. i was led to believe it is a strip of black glass that aids in stability of the limb. i believe black widow limbs have the same lamination. not 100% sure but that's what i think it is.

[Shawn Leonard]

Gene sounds good, still very quick with the 10gpp. I get right around 192-193 with my RER at 10gpp. drawn to just shy of 29"s! I will pass on the Robertson, but if ya get rid of a Tip let me know!! Thanks bud and good shooting!! Shawn

If they are that critical to lighting, then the arbitrary taking 30 fps off of every reading when they set them up in a nice shady spot at an archery shoot is just an anybodies guess number.  Schafers are really nice bows at any speed.

[Hookeye]

I knew of a Palmer that clocked just over 230 regularly. Carbon limbs, 65#, shot with very light arrows (was willing to get new limbs every year).

[ishoot4thrills]

Originally posted by Hookeye:
I knew of a Palmer that clocked just over 230 regularly. Carbon limbs, 65#, shot with very light arrows (was willing to get new limbs every year).

Shoot a hundred grain arrow through just about any bow and you'll get phenomenal speeds from it, at least for one shot!

All speed tests are relative. My chronograph is accurate as has been proven to be through many years of comparing speeds from rifles, pistols, wheelie bows, and trad bows. Any comparisons made from one bow to another must be made on an even scale with the exact same draw length, arrow weight per pound of draw weight, or grains per pound(gpp), string weight, etc. or the comparison results must be rendered useless. Many wheelie bow shooters compare their speeds based on IBO test parameters: 5 gpp @ 30" draw length. Try that test with your 70 pound trad bow and a 350 grain arrow in it and pulling it back 30" and you'll be surprised at how our "primitive" equipment can hang with the latest and greatest high tech wheelie bow. But who wants to subject their prized exotic wood trad bow to such punishment just to impress people? None I hope.

My point is, trad bows can be, and most are, a lot more efficient and faster than we realize. It's just that we don't choose to subject our beloved beauties to such torture by shooting ultra light arrows through them just for the sake of showing off. Most of us realize that speed is good but we like to use that speed efficiency to launch a heavier, more stable arrow and get more penetration on game than to have a flat line trajectory with a light arrow so we can shoot squirrels out to 50 yards or hit the 12 ring on that 3D target at 60. In actuality, wheelie bows aren't really that much faster than our trad bows, when comparing apples to apples.

Sorry for rambling on, but sometimes I just can't help myself!              :rolleyes:

[Apex Predator]

All mine will shoot 250 fps at least once!  

[Hookeye]

Big Paul shot his Palmer like that a lot, was willing to get new limbs as needed.

Watching him call and hit turkey targets in the head to 30 yards over and over and over again was pretty entertaining (not that his gear had to add to any of his personal traits- the dude was/is a hoot).

My BW shooting 2216's was a dog compared to his bow. I went to carbons but stayed around 480 grains and it helped me stay a little closer to his scores.

But 30 FPS difference even then........no way.

I tried his arrows from my bow and hit 221 FPS. The shock and noise, and lack of any support in buying replacement limbs made it a chrono test only type of deal for me.

On the 3D courses, yeah the speed game to extreme can pay off.

I blew through all of my deer but one, and that a straight down spine shot, which had the tip of the Snuffer sticking out the other side of the vert.

Good enough to be 190-200 FPS I reckon.

Having broken my wrist several times, I don't like the speed game and resultant shock, even for targets.