i'm cornfused(arrow flight video on page 2)

[champ38]

Its rare when things come together like that, so go with it. I shoot a higher nock point than I need, for some of the reasons mentioned. Its just flat out more forgiving for me.

[PAPA BEAR]

the way i'm shootin this bow i wont be changing a thing.i'm smackin arrows together almost every shot.groups are real tight.i think i'll video this to show you guys.gotta love it when things just fall into place.   :D    :D

[Wannabe1]

Nope, I think you're just confused!    Send me a PM of that bow braced. I liked the looks of your last one.

[PAPA BEAR]

here it is tw

[PAPA BEAR]

strike one

[Wannabe1]

Gotta shoot that one! I like the looks of the bow as a whole. Good looking limb veneers.  

[PAPA BEAR]

heres the best i could do right now.this is shootin through my apt,12 yds to spare room.
   

[PAPA BEAR]

click on pic to see video.as you can see my first arrow was a little high but i kept shootin at it anyway.very tight grouping with these vanes and an overspined arrow.go figure eh.

[Bjorn]

That bow is a beauty. Looks like you got a big win with the arrow fit too, some bows just like more spine and a higher nock.

[PAPA BEAR]

thanks bjorn

[Dave Bulla]

I'd almost bet it's your high nocking point that is allowing you to shoot those arrows well.

Several years ago there was a fella building really fast bows named Bill Matlock.  His bows were called Predator bows or Matlock Predator but I don't believe he's around any more and the current Predator bow company may or may not be anything related.

Anyway, he was a bit like O.L. Adcock in that he did a lot of testing to squeak out a couple of fps here, a couple there and pretty soon had some real fast bows.  Very knowledgable fella.  He came to the United Bowhunters of Missouri Rendezvous several times and one year put on a seminar about bow tuning.  The main thing I recall was that he stressed starting real high with your nock point and working down when tuning rather than starting low and working up like most people.  He'd start at about an inch or more high and often got great flight long before you would think possible.  In fact, he got such good flight with high nock points he started to experiment with various spines from multiple bows and found that for some reason a nock point of around 3/4" to 1" was very forgiving of spine.  In his demo, he shot the same arrow out of bows from about 35# to 65# and showed good flght and accuracy.

Personally, I've always stayed around 1/2" to 9/16" but I always remembered Bill and his high nock points.  This was close to 10 years ago or so.  I'm not certain but I don't know if he's still alive.  I believe I recall something about him being in bad health not long after and I never hear about his bows any more.

[PAPA BEAR]

makes sense then.if i move it down to where i normally have it i'll lose the shootability of these arrows...oh well..guess thats that.makes sense to me,thanks dave.

[snag]

Sounds like you've got a late "wet" season setup and a regular season setup figured out with the bow. What is the height of those Blazers?

[DannyBows]

I think Dave Bulla has it. There was an article in an old TBM about shooting vanes off the shelf by raising the nock point. I remember reading it an thinking I might tie on a nock higher just for those wet days, and keeping an arrow or two with vanes handy. My Samick recurve also shoots vanes perfectly from the same nock point as my feathers. I expect the paradox is causing it to clear the shelf.

[PAPA BEAR]

david...they are just a bit over a half inch at the highest point

[snag]

Might have something here Larry. When hunting in Oregon those rainy days are tough on feather fletching.

[jason1040]

Well that is plain cool, definately keep 4 or 5 for a rainy day.

[xtrema312]

Could just be a real over stiff arrow running off the riser and throwing the back of the arrow clear of everything.  The back being thrown out offsets the stiff shooting start of the point flight.  Basically a false tune vs. a false weak.  I have done this with bows and they shot great as long as I didn't get too sloppy with the form.  Who is to say that is not just fine?  You could try less point weight to see if it gets (false) weaker or try more point weight to see if it act stiffer as it moves from false tune or false weak to stiff.

[Robert Honaker]

Hvae you shot them at 25-30 yards? 12 yards can fool ya....been there done that.

[Ward / Texas]

Great post, I'll have to give the high nock point a try.  Thanks, Ward