I had an arrow idea

[lpcjon2]

I was reading about all the arrow footing and such threads.And I have not been brave enough to try and do the footing jig system.So I was thinking if I took Titebond II and added a little water,and applied it to the first 6" of an unstained shaft and let it soak in,would this give it the strength of a footing? Just an I'm bored at work arrow thought.Please add your thought's and be gentle.    

[Stumpkiller]

Maybe.  I knew a fellow who used Git-Rot that way - he'd stand cedar arrows in it and let them soak it up through the taper before adding a head.  Made them heavier at the tip end for sure.  Does it add strength?  Dubious.  CA glue may add strength.  Works for balsa.

[lpcjon2]

What is Git-Rot I never heard of it? and CA stands for what?

[dposalski]

Cyanoacrylate???

[lpcjon2]

Originally posted by dposalski:
Cyanoacrylate???

That sounds like something you would need a medicated cream for.      

[lpcjon2]

Originally posted by lpcjon2:
 

Originally posted by dposalski:
Cyanoacrylate???

That sounds like something you would need a medicated cream for.            [/b]

Where is Rob D. when you need him

[Huntschool]

This is funny....  I was going to post this tonight...

CA..??  super glue.. liquid format, I think

How about dipping the front of the arrow in that liquid that turns into plastic stuff like on the handles of tools?????

Actually, perhaps a combination of the above...

[Raging Water]

Originally posted by lpcjon2:
 

Originally posted by lpcjon2:
 

Originally posted by dposalski:
Cyanoacrylate???

That sounds like something you would need a medicated cream for.               [/b]

Where is Rob D. when you need him [/b]

Cyano - a - cry - late? Wasn't that a story about a guy with a big nose that loved a girl named, Roselyn?

[Rob DiStefano]

cya - CYAnoacrylate = "super glue".  i'd be totally lost without the stuff for the instrument work i do and buy it by the mini case load.

in the short run, soaking or dribbling in water thin cya to the tapered ends of a woodie will do the best job of hardening the wood, since cya sucks into the grain via capillary action.  however, the amount of added strength will be minimal at best - been there, done that.

if yer into woodies, just get yerself the dang braveheart/3 rivers nail footing jig - it's killer and worth every penny.  it'll really strengthen the weakest part of any wood arrow and add foc weight at the same time.  i slow-set epoxy my nail footings, for maximum strength.

 

[Stumpkiller]

Yep.  That's what I was talking about.  Cyanoacrylate ("CA"), aka "Superglue".  Wicks into wood and strengthens it.  Smells horrible, will glue your skin to anything and burns while doing it (sucks the moisture out), but is handy stuff.  

GitRot is a product used by wooden boaters to restructure rotted wood once dry  (The archer I knew who did this had an old wooden sailboat).  It replaces the cell walls with an epoxy.  There are one-part versions and two part mixes.

I don't do either of these things, by the way.  Just putting them out there.

[lpcjon2]

I am going to try to thin out some Titebond and try it on an old arrow and see what happens.I will let you know.

[Rob DiStefano]

Originally posted by lpcjon2:
I am going to try to thin out some Titebond and try it on an old arrow and see what happens.I will let you know.

trust me on this, brutha tim - the only thing worth doing to make a woody's front end much more durable is the nail footing.  even wrapping in micro-silk and dousing with cya isn't as good.

[magnus]

Rob. How deep and what size nail do you use? I've been thinking of getting one of those.

Keeping the Faith!
Magnus

[Ray Hammond]

I'm going to try something myself called wood stabilizing.

We use it for knife handles.

It's a vacuum process that uses a two part resin that can have colors added to it- then its drawn into the wood with the vacuum- somehow - don't ask me to explain it- but it makes wood act like its super wood. Really, really strong stuff.

It will certainly make them a bunch heavier...It's not cheap...but its not going to cost you a nice meal's worth of money to do a dozen either... If they have a chamber big enough to handle that large a length of wood

It's a total experiment at this point as I don't know what that will do to the dynamic or static spine of the shaft...and I don't know what it will do to the strength either, without trying it but I'm betting its going to be killer!

Will advise.

[Raging Water]

It always amazes me how freaking smart and ingenious the TG members are!

Like a bunch a MIT Graduates but can actually build stuff!


Matt

[tradsniper]

not quite the same but i coat the front and back ends of my carbons with epoxy and after shooting them into all kinds of things that they probably shouldnt be shot into im still waiting for one to break

[lpcjon2]

Rob I will have to look into getting that jig and giving it a whirl.Thanks

[Rob DiStefano]

Originally posted by lpcjon2:
Rob I will have to look into getting that jig and giving it a whirl.Thanks

i'll send ya mine to test out ... pm me with yer snail mail address ......

[lpcjon2]

Rob,
email with snail mail addy sent.Thanks

[David Mitchell]

I've heard that Min Wax wood hardener works pretty well at harding the point end of wood shafts before any sealing takes place.  Comes in a can about 6" tall--you could just open it and dunk the front end of the shaft in it. I saw some tests a guy did a few years back and denonstrated how much mnore crush resistant the wood was after treatment--used piers as I recall to crush the wood shafts.