I may have to check them out next time I go to town (if the price is right). They were just starting to clearance the archery goods at our store last week. Broadheads were all half off, but they were just starting to mark down arrows about $1 off. I wait until they're almost giving them away and then buy anything I can find a use for. I got a load of the 28" 30-50# thunderstorm carbons the last year, and they shot great out of my 50ish longbows with 200-225 up front. Think I paid $2 each.