The reason I'm asking, is because I got a sweet deal on alot of the old target arrows you used to be able to buy at the hardware store, and want to know if he would like to give a couple of them away with each of the bows. They spine out at 25# and are 28" long. Both of my boys shoot them out of their 18# and 24# bow, and I even have shot them out of the 51# Hill bow I sold you Ken. They are all fully dipped, fletched, have nocks and crimped on points. They are ready to go, they just need to be coupled with some very nice kids bows. I'll gladly give him 4 dozen to give away too.