Charlie, where did you find this Big River you speak of, what are the specs and wood combos? I picked up one of his flat bows here in the classifieds for 150.00, thing is mint!! lil on the heavy side but it's a shooter, but aren't all of Johns bows. went to see him last week with Brain Halstad that goes by Big River here on the gang, he loves the company and seems pretty darn cheerful for an old timer. lol we were talkin a lil about a 2pcs takedown, after this i'll be looking for used Big Rivers and start collecting some.