Gaboon Ebony...

[gobblegrunter]

Has anyone experienced a riser made from Gaboon Ebony splitting or cracking over time? If so, is this common? Should it be a concern when considering a new bow riser?

[limbow]

Pretty common and seems to be the nature of that wood for me at least. Not to be concerned with though, merely aesthetics.

[cacciatore]

I have several risers with Gabon and just one shows some cracks,by the way is a bow that is never been strung!!They are only aestetics anyway.

[KentuckyTJ]

Bowyers have gluing issues with it. I think its a high moisture content wood.

[wingnut]

We won't use it any more because of the problems with cracking down the road.  Most woods settle in at a MC and are fine from then on.  Ebony will crack years later.

Mike

[gobblegrunter]

Hmmm. As paranoid (and cheap) as I am, it already sounds like one that I might avoid. Especially considering the fact that there's usually an upcharge associated with it. Are there any other woods to be wary of for similar reasons? (for use in risers)

[amar911]

The only two piece Shrew bow made with a BowBolt that has EVER failed was the one that was made for "Irish" as the St. Jude auction bow a couple of years ago. The failure was entirely due to the problems associated with the Gaboon ebony, not the BowBolt, the design of the Shrew, or the construction of the bow. There are now dozens of two piece Shrews with the BowBolt that have never had any problems. Gregg Coffey now insists on using at least a lamination of phenolic material in the riser to add the strength and stability to prevent a repeat of the one failure with the solid Gaboon ebony riser. The phenolic is an attractive alternative to Gaboon ebony without the problems that have been related in this thread.

Mike Westvang knows what he is talking about and has made a very informed decision not to use Gaboon ebony on future bows. The bow that I consider to be the most beautiful bow in the world, the Blacktail Snakebit, uses both Snakewood and Gaboon ebony in the riser -- two woods that are among the very worst for cracking and checking. Norm Johnson recognizes these problems, but continues to build bows from these incredibly beautiful materials. I had Norm build a Snakebit for me, and it is one of my prized possessions, despite its propensity for problems over time. Unless the looks of certain woods is your primary interest in a bow, I would steer away from some of them like Gaboon ebony. By the way, Snakewood laminations on limbs are not a problem because they are so thin they do not have a moisture retention issue.

Most of the true ebonies can have similar problems as Gaboon ebony, just not as bad. That includes Black and White (also known as Dalmatian) ebony, and Macassar ebony, both of which I love and which are used extensively for building bows. Texas ebony is not a true ebony and is very stable. It is more similar to bacote. Leopard wood looks somewhat like Snakewood but is not not nearly as striking; however, it does not have the problems of Snakewood because it is entirely different in its structure. Mike Westvang and other bowyers who work with the various woods all the time are the best people to advise you on the best woods to use in a bow.

Allan

[gobblegrunter]

Allan, thanks very much for all of the great info. I was actually curious if snakewood would fall into the same category as gaboon. I'm not concerned enough about gaboon's appearance to risk future problems, so I think I'll steer clear. It seems as though a lot of the ultra-hard woods might be susceptible to cracking/splitting down the road.

[Bowwild]

Wow, I have a Snakebit on order with the typical Gaboon and Snakewood. I also have a Silvertip with Macassar ebony.

Cosmetic or not, if the bow gets cracks in it this camper will be unhappy.  Dad burn it. I love highly figured Macassar and would hate not to use it in my upcoming Silvertip.

[Hess]

I've got a Morrison Gabon Ebony Riser I had made in 2000 and haven't had any issues with it.  And I throw mine out of the tree every time I get out of it as long as it lands in the bushes...I've only blown up 1 set of limbs surprisingly.

No cracks or anything bad...

[cacciatore]

A very dry climate can help to crack some woods,when a humid weather doesn't affect the same woods.Living in places like the Rocky Mountain is a good tip to stay away from Ebonies,but on other places this isn't a great issue.Your home micro clima can play an important rule as well.

[Sixby]

I have never seen gabon that did not check and I have used a lot of it. My solution is to make sure it is absolutely dry and then to stabilize it by thinning smooth on with acetone and soaking it really good with that. Then I further seal it with several more coats and finally with several coats of cyronauralate. Finally I finish it with Tru Oil until it is like glass. So far no cracks in any of them after I have done all of that but still there is no way I would ever guarantee that ebony will not check over time. It is not nearly as bad as snakewood but it does check. I also reccomend using a sandwich and I beam construction when using ebony of any kind for maximum strength. Other than that and that it is a real pain in the tail to finish it properly it looks fantastic.
I am just finishing a bow for Andy Cooper that has gabon in it. I can't think of anything off hand that would replace the gabon for the classic esthetics that this bow has,. There is a classic richness that you do not get with anything else.
God Bless you all and have a great new Year, Steve

[Andy Cooper]

Kewl, Steve! Looks like I'll be posting some pictures and a report before too long!

     

[Sixby]

Not long now. Just a few more details and I will be sending you some pics. This bow is drop dead gorgeous.
God Bless and Have a great New Year, Steve

[Keefer]

I just got wind of this thread and I was wanting Macassar Ebony as my riser wood choice and now I don't think I want it and appreciate the comments about the wood and Thank you bowyers for sheding light on the topic of ebony wood in bows...Now how about Ziracote it seems to look somewhat the same as Maccasser ebony as far as what I can see and it seems to be one of the oily wood species but what are your thoughts on that wood as a riser wood choice if it's cleaned and glued properly ? Does it have fisher's or cracking to worry about down the road? If by any means this falls into what they call hijacking a thread please let me know because my intentions were not to do that but to jump on board about the Ebony topic and find a wood that looks like it without the cracking problem...Thanks, and forgive me if I did do something wrong...  

[Crooked Stic]

I got to but in here and say that the Mac ebony is very stable in my opinion. I have made several risers from it with 0 problems. Like Sixby sez seal um up good for best results.

[Outwest]

I have a Brackenbury Legend that was made in 2004.
It has a Macassar Ebony riser and has not had any problems.

John

[seabass]

i just got on big jims list for a thunderchild.i want dalmation ebony and zircote.now you guys have got me worried about my choice.i still have time to change.i have a 6 month wait,steve  

[Lee Robinson .]

Ebony is prone to crack and I have turned down the sale of a bow because I won't use it in my bows. Two good alternatives to ebony (for those that like dark) are phenolic and/or wenge. Wenge is very porous but it is very tough and makes an excellent riser wood. One just has to do several coats of finish with some extra buffing to fill the pores.

Here is a picture of wenge.

   

[BigJim]

Macassar and black and white are very stable. Gaboon and some of the others can have issues as will a lot of the really dense woods. The biggest problem is moisture content. I have bought several pieces of wood that I was told was very dry only to find out that it wasn't even close to being dry. They will sit on the shelf for a while.
I've got friends that are bowyers that don't even own a moisture meter. They must rely on the word of the man selling the wood(he is never wrong).
Wenge is a nice wood and I use it too. Not a good choice if you like mass weight in the riser. It is very light compared to most bow woods.
Wood takes a real long time to air dry. Hardwood takes even longer. Many of the problems in question could have been caused by any one of a multitude of problems such as: wood too wet when built, poor quality finish or improperly applied, improper storage, scratches allowing moisture back in, crack was there when the bow was built and never noticed. ----Or it could have been one of those things that happens because everything has been going too good for too long.

Bigjim