Agree with ALwoodsman. I have the pants and while the liner started out a little noisy, the more I wore them, they quieted down. I think they are great and wore them almost exclusively this season.
Not trying to start an argument but, typically outline/silhoutette or no backdrop, or movement is what busts us in a tree not the camo pattern. Have had dozens of deer give me the staredown in this camo, along with colored plaid with no ill effects.
If you think that they are too light, which I intially did try a low concentration walnut dye bath. The wool should absorb it well and darken them up a little. Am ordering the jacket now and would highly recommend this line for the money