Oh the blank stares that you get when you ask a "modern" salesperson for something didn't come out after 2000, or doesn't have 3 springs, 12 washers, six bolts and a recently patent pending quick detach to hold it all together. I had someone that I was teaching, and I told her to find a hoyt hunter rest because she didn't have any rest on her recurve, and her arrows were vane fletched. So she went to Bass Pro Shops were she had bought her arrows and asked the guy for a flipper rest. The guy told her not only that they didn't have them, but that they didn't exist. He said that the only thing around were launchers and other compound gagetry. She waved a printed internet page that showed that Bass pro shops did carry them, and after kind of embarrasing the "expert" archery salesperson, had him order it for him. Salespeople aren't always the highest watt light bulb.