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Author Topic: Went out today in the snow and ice to test my Sitka Gear....  (Read 553 times)

Offline highpoint forge

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Went out today in the snow and ice to test my Sitka Gear....
« on: February 01, 2011, 03:18:00 PM »
It's 20F max and hard blowing wind in Dallas today with an 8F windchill or worse, and I felt it would be an excellent opportunity to get outside and simulate COLD stand conditions. Maybe even shoot my bow.....I suited up in my Smartwool merino medium weight baselayer, Sitka Gear Kelvin suit, and Stratus bibs and jacket. Sitka Stratus gloves, Smartwool merino beanie and Sitka Stratus beanie. Smartwool socks with their liners and Muck hunting boots. Everything I have is a medium and it was as snug as I could comfortably be,  a tad smaller in the arms/shoulders, and it's a no-go. Upper body was plenty free to draw the bow and maneuver enough.

I was warm as could be. My hands were not so warm but OK. I should have also worn my Sitka Balaclava to keep my face warm. With the wind blowing so hard I couldn't shoot, so I skipped it. I did not sit out there for hours as the neighbors probably were wondering who the goofball was in the weird camo.

I am wondering if the new Sitka Fanatic jacket and Bibs with built in Primaloft might be a better fit rather than layering so much under the already snug Stratus setup.......only time will tell. The Fanatic suit will be a dedicated cold weather setup for South Texas whitetails, as you'll boil in short order as the temps get over 40ish I'd think.

Further testing this weekend at the farm, to avoid the Superbowl crowds......
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Re: Went out today in the snow and ice to test my Sitka Gear....
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2011, 03:26:00 PM »
Alex,

Yes.

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I spent the weekend in Kalamzoo showing off a Fanatic Jacket and Bibs.  They definitely will take the Kelvin and Stratus and combine them plus add lots of neat features.  I plan to go with the Fanatic Jacket and Incinerator Bibs for the cold weather.  Then I will always have a warm, dry butt.

The new Merino Wool base layers are very fine, the finest I have seen.  

The Timberline Pants are going to be a must have for the western hunter.  More stretch than the Mountain Pants along with removable knee pads and waterproof knees and butt.

I will say, those Sitka boys do listen and they do improve things every year.

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Re: Went out today in the snow and ice to test my Sitka Gear....
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2011, 03:29:00 PM »
FWIW, I tested my Sitka Downpour jacket last week running a snow blower through about 15" of snow. I layered it over a merino wool long john set - light weight and a wool shirt.  It was hands down the best snow blower operating jacket I've found.  I stayed dry and comfortable with snow blowing from every direction I could think of and a couple that hadn't occurred to me at the time.

Please post any additional test results.  I'm especially interested in the stuff that's designed for still hunting.  Most Sitka gear is great if you're on the move, but the pants don't work nearly as well on a stand with a strong wind blowing.
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Re: Went out today in the snow and ice to test my Sitka Gear....
« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2011, 03:36:00 PM »
Dragon Rider,

You can be warm and toasty with any pair of Sitka pants if you layer the Kelvin pant under it.

If you want a stand alone warm bottom, right now it is the Incinerator bib.  This summer, the Fanatic bib will fill that bill as well.

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Re: Went out today in the snow and ice to test my Sitka Gear....
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2011, 04:09:00 PM »
Waterproof bottoms and Fanatic top! Now that's something I should buy! Darn good idea! My butt is invariably having to endure a wet stand seat and I already know the value of the bibs covering your core.

Fanatic is water proof though?

Steve how sticky is the Incinerator to burrs and little hangers on? The Stratus grabs stuff but it brushes off with a good whack. That's the sole thing that bugs me about softer faced outerwear....but it's an essential element of being whisper quiet.
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Re: Went out today in the snow and ice to test my Sitka Gear....
« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2011, 04:16:00 PM »
I used to hate vests, but am now a Tressel wannabe after buying a Sitka celsius vest.  Wore it all year, great for freeing up your arms, lowering bulk, and keeping warm.
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Re: Went out today in the snow and ice to test my Sitka Gear....
« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2011, 04:30:00 PM »
Got rid of my vests....arms were always cold. Your mileage may vary......
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Re: Went out today in the snow and ice to test my Sitka Gear....
« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2011, 06:43:00 PM »
Fanatic is NOT waterproof; same with the Stratus.  They are both coated with a Durable Water Repellent coating on the fabric.  The Fanatic set I had was much softer and quieter than my Stratus stuff.

The Incinerator pieces are gore tex outer with 700 goose down inner.  I don't plan to ever find out how they hold up to burrs...if you walk in them, you will cook!  But the have a very low nap.  Same as the Downpour raingear.

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Re: Went out today in the snow and ice to test my Sitka Gear....
« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2011, 08:32:00 PM »
Heck, the local joggers were out this A.M.in Wally and Sportbox store junk at -23. No joke. In DRY cold with minimal movemement situations you can't beat down for warmth. When hiking and sweating then the primaloft and fleece and wool shine. Wind barriers are key to regulate and/or maintain your heat. The above joggers would have been sweaty,soggy, and frozen once they stopped running in sweat saturated down. Same as most situations where you need different tools for the job.

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Re: Went out today in the snow and ice to test my Sitka Gear....
« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2011, 08:53:00 PM »
The Fanatic excites me, especially if mobility is improved over my current wool/primaloft/Stratus arrangement....

Steve what's the price on the Fanatic set look like it's going to be?
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Re: Went out today in the snow and ice to test my Sitka Gear....
« Reply #10 on: February 01, 2011, 09:44:00 PM »
I've not seen anything official, but word on the street is $369 for the jacket and $299 for the bibs.

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Re: Went out today in the snow and ice to test my Sitka Gear....
« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2011, 09:48:00 PM »
Wow, that stuff is pricey. It is 33 below here right now. I work outside as a fed coyote trapper/hunter. Will that stuff keep me warm, or should I stick with wool? Does it come in non-camo colors?
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Re: Went out today in the snow and ice to test my Sitka Gear....
« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2011, 09:58:00 PM »
Shed, if you really wanted to change, I could set you up with a system to keep you warm.  If I were you, I would start with a Kelvin Jacket.  The thing weighs a pound at the most and you could get rid of 10 lbs of wool.  It is filled with Primaloft so it is good wet or dry.

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Re: Went out today in the snow and ice to test my Sitka Gear....
« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2011, 10:02:00 PM »
When are they going to make small sizes for the ladies?
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Re: Went out today in the snow and ice to test my Sitka Gear....
« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2011, 10:12:00 PM »
Gosh Katie, all I ever hear from the guys is that they run small.  As an aside, I disagree with this...I am not in "sheep shape" and I normally wear xl in everything.  Nothing different with my Sitka stuff.  What people do not understand is that it is designed to move with you and not bind between the layers.  It is supposed to be form fitting.

Anyway, if you are going to the Iowa Deer Classic, PM me with the pieces you would like to try and I will see if the boys in CA will send them out in SMALL.

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Re: Went out today in the snow and ice to test my Sitka Gear....
« Reply #15 on: February 01, 2011, 10:24:00 PM »
Awesome!  Thanks, I will look at the site again.
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Re: Went out today in the snow and ice to test my Sitka Gear....
« Reply #16 on: February 01, 2011, 11:35:00 PM »
Keep in mind guys that the Fanatic line is essentially the Stratus Jacket and Stratus Bibs PLUS the Kelvin Jacket and Kelvin pants.....2 for the price of 1 bottoms and tops.
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Re: Went out today in the snow and ice to test my Sitka Gear....
« Reply #17 on: February 02, 2011, 12:14:00 AM »
I'm in Dallas as well.

I took the dog out today for about an hour. I had my new Minus 33 base layers on (400 gr).  Over that I wore a windstopper fleece and a pair of cargo pants. I was impressed. I'm liking this wool stuff!

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Re: Went out today in the snow and ice to test my Sitka Gear....
« Reply #18 on: February 02, 2011, 08:09:00 AM »
What Steve says about the Kelvin is true.  It is my favorite piece of Sitka...top and bottom.  It's what the phrase "warmth without weight" was created for.  Not an outer layer (bottoms) but put any kind of pant over the top and you're set.  The Kelvin top could be used as an outer layer--and I'm doing that A LOT this winter in casual situations (or like last night in digging a friend's daughter's car out of a snowdrift)--but it doesn't have a bunch of pockets, etc. and also fares better with an outer layer in hunting situations.  Both are TOASTY.
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Re: Went out today in the snow and ice to test my Sitka Gear....
« Reply #19 on: February 02, 2011, 01:47:00 PM »
I have the Kelvin jacket and Kelvin vest in the Mothwing Mountain Mimicry pattern and they are great -- very light, form fitting, comfortable and WARM. In order of personal preference of the camo patterns Sitka has used, I like ASAT the best, but I do not believe the Kelvin series was never offered in that pattern. Next, the Mountain Mimicry and the Mossy Oak Treestand are about equal in my view and work very well. The Optifade Open Country is close behind the MM and the Treestand and probably is about the same to the animals. However, I think the Optifade Forest is simply too much of a dark blob beyond 20 yards for most conditions that I will ever hunt in, and it appears that much of the new Sitka clothing is only being offered in the Forest camo, unless I am looking in the wrong places. If I were sitting in a patch of cedar trees or other dark growth while hunting deer in the early season or hunting turkeys in the spring, the Forest camo would work very well. But so would solid green. For most of my hunting, especially the late season deer hunting where I need cold weather clothing, Forest is not a pattern I would generally wear, and certainly would not buy at the prices charged for Sitka gear.

As a big fan of Sitka gear who owns thousands of dollars of the stuff, I think Sitka has done great things with much of its new clothing but has gone in the wrong direction with its camo offerings. I have read all about how animals are supposed to see and how the Optifade patterns were designed to deal with the animals' seeing ability, but if I can see a big dark blob standing out in the surrounding terrain, then I am confident a deer can too. ASAT, Predator, and Kuiu all use the big patterns that really break up a human outline and are difficult to identify, even by other humans. I have been busted by turkeys at long distances (70 yards) when I was in ASAT camo sitting in the middle of almost solid green growth, but unlike most game animals, turkeys see color. That was one of the few situations where the Forest camo would have been perfect, but the Spring weather was way too warm for any of the insulated clothing that I believe Sitka gear is making exclusively in Forest.

I am certainly willing to be corrected if I am wrong about the colors and patterns being offered in Sitka's cold weather clothing because the clothing itself is great stuff and no one else is currently selling alternative clothing that occupies the same market niche. I bought tons of Sitka gear because I really like it, and I would like to be able to have an outer appearance on the newer models of cold weather clothing that would work for me so I could justify spending the money on outerwear that is otherwise undoubtedly very well designed and made.

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