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Author Topic: Come on lads - lets find the best longbow once and for all%^&$*!!  (Read 1437 times)

Offline suttoman

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Come on lads - lets find the best longbow once and for all%^&$*!!
« on: June 17, 2007, 05:29:00 AM »
I am still on my mission to find my next bow, one that has been thought out properly and well designed.  

As I have said before getting a bow down to Auss is a very expensive mission.  I had  a friend who recently bought a B/W T/D longbow PLll and with the exchange rate, customs and duty into Australia it cost him 1,900 AUD.  That gives you an idea of the extra it costs.  I want to do my homework thoroughly this time and nail that baby good and proper.  

There are many so/so bows out there and unfortunately I own a plethora of them.  There are probably only a handful of bowyers who stand head and shoulders above the others.  Come on lads - spill the beans!!

I am no Rhode Island scholar - but it makes sense to me that the flat limb design is not very efficient.

If one takes a venetian blind blade (not sure if you have them in the USA - a window blind with many thin blades that open and close) and bend that blade slightly in the middle to make a concave/convex shape - one can hold it out horizontally and it will stay that way unsupported.  Make it flat and see how long it will stay horizontal!  In other words the concave/convex shape adds a lot of 'stiffness' into the blade - without having to increase its thickness.

Most of bows that folk rave about on this thread - have this inefficient design!!

My Martin Vision is a nice old bow but when I look at those humungous limb tips - it is amazing that it doesn't shoot like a dog!

I think OL nailed it when one looks at a cross-section of his limb!!  This thread may have been discussed before and sorry if I am repeating with this question.  However I am not being flippant - I am deadly serious.  I need help to nail the best limb design - I have wasted a small fortune already!

Please don't crucify me for starting a ...stirring contest - that is not my aim.  I only want constuctive advice for the best bow design out there, and I will buy it!

As you all know I can't order an OL - so who else makes a bow with this very efficient limb design?  My sources tell me that Habu and Centaur may be on the money - are there any others??  I am just not so sure I like this very flat-bow look!!

Tell me and I'll reach for my cheque book!#^!!

A frustrated Sutto!!
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Re: Come on lads - lets find the best longbow once and for all%^&$*!!
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2007, 05:37:00 AM »
Sorry - I read my thread and it sounds a bit ambiguous!  I am saying that the flat limb design that most bows have is not good - I want a bow with the convex/concave shaped limbs (can't remember the proper term for that) - one like the shape that OL makes!

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Re: Come on lads - lets find the best longbow once and for all%^&$*!!
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2007, 05:53:00 AM »
The only bow with O.L.'s limb is an Adcock or A&H. It is a patened design. You can order an A&H, go to their website and get on the list. O.L. is not currently taking orders.

That being said, there are a lot of great longbows out there that are on par with the ACS, IMO. Black Swan and Border being two of them.

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Re: Come on lads - lets find the best longbow once and for all%^&$*!!
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2007, 05:53:00 AM »
A&H makes the ACS (Adcock) limb but I think there is quite a waiting list for them ('bout a year and a half is what I'm hearing).  Other than that I'm not sure if anyone else makes a limb like Adcocks - he has a patent on it.
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Re: Come on lads - lets find the best longbow once and for all%^&$*!!
« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2007, 05:59:00 AM »
As far as I'm aware, OL & A&H are the only folks that use the convex limb design, mate.
I know it's all subjective & down to personal taste & I'm sure just about everyone will post their own 'personal' favourites, but from all the bows I've shot, by far & away the nicest (& by nicest I mean fastest/smoothest) would be Mark Horne's Combo longbow. To my mind (and no, I don't have chrono figures to back it up) it seemed just as fast as Adcocks I've shot in around the same weight range. If there is a difference, it can only be few FPS. I shot his 49# bow in Texas this year & it vastly, almost embarrasingly outshot my 58# Pronghorn T/D.
Again, it ain't the cheapest of bows ($1150 if I remember rightly) for the carbon/bamboo cored limbs, but it's also excellent value compared to an Adcock & there's no 3-5 year wait.
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Re: Come on lads - lets find the best longbow once and for all%^&$*!!
« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2007, 06:21:00 AM »
Hey robtatto - I already have one of those babies.  

It is called a Horne's three piece Combo Hunter longbow.  It is Purple heart and Osage 40# @ 28" 64" long.  I have said on here before that it is a great little bow - very well made.  However I shoot high/wrist - the gip is all wrong.  

I am just getting the timber together now and am about to attack it with the spindle moulder.  I will probably blow my warranty to 'kingdom come'.  However I will cut the grip section out -glue in a whole new piece of timber - then shape a new grip to my hand.  Then it will be a good bow.

However it still has flat limbs.  I can't go to shows like you folks can in the States and shoot twenty bows in a day to find the best.  I have to buy them first to shoot them - we have nothing like that in Australia.  So these stupid questions I ask are the equivalent of my day at the show!#%&^!

Sutto
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Re: Come on lads - lets find the best longbow once and for all%^&$*!!
« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2007, 06:38:00 AM »
suttoman you partially solved your puzzle.If you like your Horne's combo hunter but need a high wrist grip have you tried one of their Brushbows?It comes in 58",60,and 62"s.Great bow. If you go on their web site you can take a look at them.They do have a few in stock.
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Re: Come on lads - lets find the best longbow once and for all%^&$*!!
« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2007, 06:43:00 AM »
Oh and if you still don't like that grip Rivers Edge's Vortex comes with a high grip if you so desire. The folks here have nothing but good things to say about those bows also.My favorite bow is my Turkey Creek but the grip would be all wrong for you unless Doug will custom make a grip for you .This is MY favorite longbow out there period.
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Re: Come on lads - lets find the best longbow once and for all%^&$*!!
« Reply #8 on: June 17, 2007, 06:46:00 AM »
Thanks 'Bentpole' - what is the their website - I did a search and came up empty?

Are you going to buy a Horne's?

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Re: Come on lads - lets find the best longbow once and for all%^&$*!!
« Reply #9 on: June 17, 2007, 06:49:00 AM »
oops sorry Bentpole - it really must be time for me to go to bed - that was Robtatto with the Hornes comment!

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Re: Come on lads - lets find the best longbow once and for all%^&$*!!
« Reply #10 on: June 17, 2007, 06:56:00 AM »
I've been shooting Habu's for the past 8 years.As far as speed I've gotten out of the who's the fastest.The Vyperkahn I have 59lbs @27'' shoots a 670gr arro 168fps.If you go w/ Chris's bow you most get a Rod Jenkins string.Made a big difference in both speed and quietness.
The only down fall I see w/ a Habu for you.Is you like a high grip.The 2 Vyperkahn's I have have a medium to low grip IMO. when compared to a Dye or Blacktail.
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Re: Come on lads - lets find the best longbow once and for all%^&$*!!
« Reply #11 on: June 17, 2007, 07:08:00 AM »
Thanks Overbo - I enjoyed and agreed with your comments.  

I have a T/G 'friend' on here I correspond with regularly and he is a big Habu fan.  His whispering in my ear is starting to take its toll - LOL.  I actually succumbed this morning and tried to ring Chris.  

American Geography wasn't my best subject at school - I couldn't work out which State ID was to find the time diff to call.  I got the answer machine so it may have been some unearthly hour or something in America.  I will phone back Monday.

The only thing that puts me off is that I am told his wait is 18 months.  I have looked at the grips on his bow and they look pretty good - as far as one can tell from a pic.

That's the trouble living so far away from the action.  I can't shoot any of these bows first.  I have to fork out huge fistfulls of dough, grit my teeth and hope for the best - lol

Sutto
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Re: Come on lads - lets find the best longbow once and for all%^&$*!!
« Reply #12 on: June 17, 2007, 07:24:00 AM »
Habu has a Death Adder in stock that may fit your needs.

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Re: Come on lads - lets find the best longbow once and for all%^&$*!!
« Reply #13 on: June 17, 2007, 07:28:00 AM »
thanks Danny - I will have a look!

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Re: Come on lads - lets find the best longbow once and for all%^&$*!!
« Reply #14 on: June 17, 2007, 07:31:00 AM »
Way too heavy Danny - it's 58# - I need 40#!

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Re: Come on lads - lets find the best longbow once and for all%^&$*!!
« Reply #15 on: June 17, 2007, 07:49:00 AM »
I've got a Horne Combo Longbow on order, as we speak (type!) I know how you feel though, it's the same for us in England. We've got a really limited choice here, with hunting being illegal & therefore no shows at all! All the guys on the 3D/field circuit seem to shoot the same 2 or 3 bows & all atlow poundages, so not much help there. I've been through exactly the same thing you're going through, buying up bows left,right & centre trying to find 'The One' I've now had 26 bows pass through my hands in the last 2 years & found the Horne to be the best of the bunch, although I do prefer the low grip which made it a lot easier!
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Re: Come on lads - lets find the best longbow once and for all%^&$*!!
« Reply #16 on: June 17, 2007, 08:00:00 AM »
first,OL design is state of the art. period
that does not mean a flat limp does make a slow bow.
there are way more factors that a fast bow needs.
deflex/reflex and where in the bow they are.
which part of the limp bends at what state of the drawing.
preload is a big factor.
without a good preload the stored energy will most probably be low and therefor the bow a bad performer.
low mass limps.
a bow with wide tips can never be a fast bow.
limp lenght is a major key too.
choose/make a bow just as long as it is needed.
every inch to long will slow down the bow.
46@30" is all i need to pass 195fps with a 500 grain arrow.

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Re: Come on lads - lets find the best longbow once and for all%^&$*!!
« Reply #17 on: June 17, 2007, 08:00:00 AM »
Sutto,
Chris's bows have alot of mass weight.Another thing to take in.
Yes 18 months is a long wait for a bow you've never shot.I will say this.Everyone one that has shot my VK thought it was several pounds lighter.I have a set of 62'' limbs that are 50lbs @28'' that feel like other bowyer's 40lbs limbs and for 50lbs they move an arro.
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Re: Come on lads - lets find the best longbow once and for all%^&$*!!
« Reply #18 on: June 17, 2007, 08:46:00 AM »
I am sorry but there is no bow you can put a tag on as the best.  :)  It will only be best for the guy shooting it and even then it is only a temperary condition before he has another "best" bow.You either enjoy the never ending search or you just learn to love the one you got.  :)
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Re: Come on lads - lets find the best longbow once and for all%^&$*!!
« Reply #19 on: June 17, 2007, 11:00:00 AM »
Pretty much agree with James Wrenn, but if you HAVE to have a state-of-the-art bow, look at Black Swan bows.

  Black Swan Archery  

Also, the opening video is amazing!

By all accounts, they are excellent performers, with exceptional shooting characteristics.  

Additionally, it is offered in different grip configurations.  

Something to consider.
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