CE 150's out of a 41# ChekMate Crusader

[Gitnadoix]

Has any one tried and or been using carbon express 150's out of a 41# long bow? I would like to set them up for the wifes bow and do not want to have to add a lot of weight up front to soften them has I want to keep her arrows light as she only shoots occasionaly and at targets...

(so trying to keep them flater)

[huntin_sparty]

I have never shot the 150s out of a 41# Checkmate but have out of a 45# Morrison ILF with Carbon Foam limbs and they flew well with 175 grains up front at 28.5 to BOP.  You may need to add some more weight up front they may be stiff for her set up.

[Stinger]

I have several bows that are 44# at my 27".  Now all bows aren't equal and a lot of it depends on whether the thing is truly center shot or not.  I was using an older version of Stu's Calculator when I made my 30 5/16" arrows up.  I get 44.4# spine with 125gr head and 100 gr adapter (arrow weighs 592gr) and 53.7# spine w/125 gr head and 50 gr adapter (arrow weighs 542gr).  So, depending on the bow, it might work but I'm guessing it won't without adding weight up front.

[Rob DiStefano]

in the final analysis, the deciding factor about what arrow works best for what bow and for you will be ... you.  

all the charts and calcs are ballpark at best for the vast majority of archers.  there are far too many factors to consider - you, the bow, the arrow.  

particularly with light holding weight bows, staying around 9-10gpp would be a distinct advantage.

[Over&Under]

I bet you would be fine if you kept them close to full length.

I have some cut down to around 28" and they are still showing pretty weak out of my 52 lb bows.

[Flatshooter]

Never a good idea to try to match (tune) a bow to an arrow. In my opinion the 150's are way too stiff for a 41# bow especially if she is drawing less than 28". You will probably need to weight the 90"s to get them to shoot out of your wife's bow if you are set on using CX's. Why not buy her 1/2 doz. Easton aluminiums to match her length and draw weight. They are not too expensive and she will enjoy shooting them with fewer problems and greater accuracy. Just my opinion.

[Patrick55]

If you do not want to a lot of weight up front start with, the Heritage 90 cut to 28” with a 125 grain point will fly just fine.
 Rob is correct as usual. A lot depends on the shooter and if it is a longbow or recurve but the 150 is going to be too stiff for either unless you add a bunch of weight that is not needed for target shooting. The Thunderstorm and the Predator 11 2040 will also perform well if you want to save a few bucks.  Both left full length, the Thunderstorm and the Heritage 90 is the same shaft. The Heritage has the wood grain finish and the Thunderstorm does not.

[NoCams]

As usual the Gang has steered you in the right direction. Go with the Heritage 90's, leave them full length and play with point weight.If they wind up weak with a real light point then you can trim them back and go with more point weight.

[Canadabowyer]

Scott, nice meeting you at the Ross Wood shoot, great shoot by the way.I have had very good luck with the Predator 11 20-40 shafts for 35- 45# longbows with 125 and 145 tips cut to 28" bop.They are spined at .600. You can get them from Braveheart archery(sponcer).  Bob

[kadbow]

I think you would be better off with the 90s.

[JRY309]

I think they would be too stiff,you would have to add some weight up front.Plus it might be pushing 500+ grs. in total weight.I shoot Heritage 90 out of my 55#@27 Hill with 200 grs. upfront,gives me around a 540 gr. arrow.You may be better off with the Heritage 75 or the 90 for a 41# bow.

[Leland]

I'm shooting CX90's uncut, alum. insert w/175 gr out of a 42# @ 27 1/2 longbow.They shot well with 125 & 145 gr also.Hope this helps you.
Leland

[Rob DiStefano]

i didn't see any mention of draw length for this particular archer and what the holding weight is at that draw length.

my approach to setting up fairly lightweight bows is more critical than heavier.  

what's light? to me that means around 45# or less.  

if lots less, the hardware becomes more crucial.  why?  'cause you want light arrows that are matched to both the bow and the shooter, for flatest trajectory at trad shooting/hunting distances.  

light bows really shine with really lightweight carbons, which will allow lots of upfront weight for higher foc's that will help with everything.

so, the objective is a final arrow mass weight of 9-10gpp, of a length commensurate to the archer's draw length, and enuf spine to fly true when applied with decent form.

[Pinelander]

As mentioned, draw length and the resulting poundage at that draw is critical in determining the correct arrow choice.

Just a guess, but I would recommend the Easton Epic .600 spine. They won't be too heavy, as they are only 7.3 gpi bareshaft and will finish out around 375-425 gr. using 125-175 gr. points, depending on finished length and point weight. (9.5-10.5 gpp)

The Heritage 90's (.530 spine) are 9.4 gpi and will finish out around 435-485 grains using 125-175 gr. points. (11-12.0 gpp)

Problem with the Heritage 90 is that if you need more weight upfront to get correct dynamic spine (probably so, since they are stiffer than a .600), they will be even heavier. But of course, if the longbow is a straight-limbed bow, the extra arrow weight might make the bow more enjoyable to shoot (they like heavy arrows).
 
If in fact your wife will be shooting 41 pounds at her draw, I think you will have an easy time with the 600's. I shoot them out of different kinds of bows that are between 40-45# with 28"-30" arrows and various point weights.

Have fun!

- Dave

[Pinelander]

Oops, sorry. Thread titled Chekmate Crusader. Should be fine with a normal gpp arrow, don't need overly heavy ones.

[Lefty]

If you are looking for a more reasonably price carbon shaft, check out the Carbon Express Predator II 3050's.  I shoot them full length from my 41# longbow.  Cheap and a really nice shaft.  You can make them nearly indestructible by footing, too.  You can search on here about them, as there was a thread not to long ago about them and I post some pics of my arrow footings on them.

[Gitnadoix]

Thanks for all the response folks, I had a feeling that the 90's were more likely the closer starting point, and the only reason I was set on the heritage was the 150 and 250 0ut of my 56 pound bow have been darn near indistructable for those rare occasions when I hit rock or steel  (some days not so rare)