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Author Topic: Compensating for wraps?  (Read 282 times)

Offline Spectre

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Compensating for wraps?
« on: June 05, 2011, 11:31:00 AM »
The ol' calculator has it at 3-5" feathers for my shaft length, however, these shafts have wraps, so, should I back off to 4" to compensate for the extra weight?
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Re: Compensating for wraps?
« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2011, 11:44:00 AM »
Oh for God's sake..... :rolleyes:

Do you really think that 6 or 7 grains of wrap is really going to make a difference???
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Re: Compensating for wraps?
« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2011, 11:47:00 AM »
My sentiments as well.

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Re: Compensating for wraps?
« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2011, 11:50:00 AM »
Geez, man, it is just a question. In fact, that is exactly the question I was wanting answered---I'm guessing 3 total inches of fletching go somewhere in the 6 or 7 grain weight range, so I feel that the question is legitimate.
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Re: Compensating for wraps?
« Reply #4 on: June 05, 2011, 11:53:00 AM »
Oh, light bow, and really light arrows, so yes, I think 7 grains on the tail can potentially make a difference.
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Re: Compensating for wraps?
« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2011, 11:55:00 AM »
All depends on how close your arrows are spine wise to what you need. Wraps are good for stiffening a slightly weak arrow. If the arrow is to the stiff side, sometimes you need to add a little weight up front to compensate for the extra spine. Most times they make no difference at all. Only way to know is to shoot them.
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Re: Compensating for wraps?
« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2011, 11:58:00 AM »
Hey Spectre, don't feel bad about asking any questions you might have, that is what this forum is for.

If you don't have an answer, or want to answer, then don't bother answering at all, which is better than making the person feel bad about asking in the first place.

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Re: Compensating for wraps?
« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2011, 12:00:00 PM »
Thanks, man. I am just doing the whole bored offseason quest for the unobtainable perfection here.
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Re: Compensating for wraps?
« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2011, 12:03:00 PM »
Some of us veterans have seen a lot of these questions asked too many times to count. Stuff we take for granted we forget we learned once ourselves. Next time I could be the cranky one and Orion or Rob might be giving you the answer. Thick skin and a desire to learn will take you far here.
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Re: Compensating for wraps?
« Reply #9 on: June 05, 2011, 12:09:00 PM »
No offense Spectre its just that their are a lot of guys that just as little as ten years ago would walk around with a quiver full of all different arrows. Some four fletched some three, lengths and spine would all very some, many with fletchings all beat up, some aluminums some woods, different types of woods even. So when we hear a question like that we can't help but wonder are we getting too technical?
No question however is a dumb/bad question.
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Re: Compensating for wraps?
« Reply #10 on: June 05, 2011, 12:12:00 PM »
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Originally posted by Builder:
No offense Spectre its just that their are a lot of guys that just as little as ten years ago would walk around with a quiver full of all different arrows. Some four fletched some three, lengths and spine would all very some, many with fletchings all beat up, some aluminums some woods, different types of woods even. So when we hear a question like that we can't help but wonder are we getting too technical?
No question however is a dumb/bad question.
Good Luck.
Dood, I still do that. Again, just a bored, offseason tweak question.
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Re: Compensating for wraps?
« Reply #11 on: June 05, 2011, 12:23:00 PM »
Well said, Vermonster.  I should have stayed out of this one. Sorry Spectre.   :)

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Re: Compensating for wraps?
« Reply #12 on: June 05, 2011, 12:27:00 PM »
I you use a clear over wrap like I do then that 6 or 7 grains that doesn't matter to some becomes 12 to 14 grains, plus the weight of the fletching, plus the weight of the nock. Are we counting yet?.
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Re: Compensating for wraps?
« Reply #13 on: June 05, 2011, 12:29:00 PM »
I'd say weight 3 feathers and see what they weight.  Wraps are probably 6-10gr.  Does it make a difference?  Yes.  Enough to be concerned about?  That's up to you.
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Re: Compensating for wraps?
« Reply #14 on: June 05, 2011, 12:32:00 PM »
Or go with calculator and make arrows 1/8" longer for the wrap.
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Re: Compensating for wraps?
« Reply #15 on: June 05, 2011, 12:51:00 PM »
Not sure if I did the right thing, but I increase the nock weight by 7 grains to compensate for a wrap in Stu's caluclator and technically it does make a difference in making your arrow a little stiffer.
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Re: Compensating for wraps?
« Reply #16 on: June 05, 2011, 01:05:00 PM »
awbowman, why would you increase the weight at the tail to compensate for the extra weight of the wrap? I would think one would want to decrease. Scratching my head now.
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Re: Compensating for wraps?
« Reply #17 on: June 05, 2011, 01:10:00 PM »
If you are border line too stiff it could cause you a little issue.  You can add a brass washer under your head or maybe just try a brace height adjustment to correct if you have that much room to adjust.  Maybe it would be a good time for a change to a skinny string if you don’t use one.  Also you could add an aluminum footing if that is compatible with the shaft type you are using.
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Re: Compensating for wraps?
« Reply #18 on: June 05, 2011, 01:22:00 PM »
What I am doing is trying to play with the lunatic fringe of lightness. For some weird reason, I have a hankerin to shoot little lightning bolts at small game and 3D.
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Re: Compensating for wraps?
« Reply #19 on: June 05, 2011, 02:22:00 PM »
Just add the weight of the wrap to the nock weight.
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