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Offline Shawn Leonard

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Re: How is YOUR bow shelf cut?
« Reply #20 on: June 18, 2011, 02:18:00 PM »
RER Arroyo and the XR T/D 3/16th. past and actually on the 3 I own almost 1/4" past. We will say 3/16ths. for good measure. Shawn
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Re: How is YOUR bow shelf cut?
« Reply #21 on: June 18, 2011, 02:22:00 PM »
Zipper is cut to center, Centaur is cut to center.
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Offline Shawn Leonard

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Re: How is YOUR bow shelf cut?
« Reply #22 on: June 18, 2011, 03:34:00 PM »
I believe Zippers are cut past center at least the ones I owned were at least 1/8th. past and I think more. Shawn
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Re: How is YOUR bow shelf cut?
« Reply #23 on: June 18, 2011, 04:25:00 PM »
I emailed Bob and Tracy for clarification on the Zipper. Thanks!
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Re: How is YOUR bow shelf cut?
« Reply #24 on: June 18, 2011, 04:43:00 PM »
Sometimes bows can be tricky to measure especially if the surface is curves, I measured my Zipper..... it will be interesting to see what Bob responds.
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Re: How is YOUR bow shelf cut?
« Reply #25 on: June 18, 2011, 04:55:00 PM »
Arcs Millenium Mohican: +1/8
Samick SHT: - 1/8
BigJim Thunderchild: 0
Bob Lee Signature LB: -3/16
Bear TD Hunter 1: -1/16 (not 100%sure)
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Re: How is YOUR bow shelf cut?
« Reply #26 on: June 18, 2011, 04:56:00 PM »
I updated the listings on page one. Please take a look guys and see if you know of any others. If we get stumped by next week I will start contacting bowyers.
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Re: How is YOUR bow shelf cut?
« Reply #27 on: June 19, 2011, 10:32:00 AM »
Big Jims Buffalo Bow: 0
IdahoCurts 3pc Hunter: +3/16
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Re: How is YOUR bow shelf cut?
« Reply #28 on: June 19, 2011, 10:39:00 AM »
Sarrels are cut pretty much to center.
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Re: How is YOUR bow shelf cut?
« Reply #29 on: June 19, 2011, 10:43:00 AM »
Just a word of caution re: Stu's calculator numbers.  Just because a bow is cut 3/16 beyond center does NOT mean you enter -3/16 into the calculator!  The calculator wants to know how far the ARROW is from center, which needs to include the thickness of the arrow plate too.  Typically a -3/16 cut bow has a 1/16 plate which equals -1/8 for the calculator.  I can't tell you how often I've seen plate thickness not considered when people complain the calculator does't work for them.
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Re: How is YOUR bow shelf cut?
« Reply #30 on: June 19, 2011, 12:26:00 PM »
Dan you got that one right.  

If you select a bow from the database you have to enter the plate thickness in the box below. where it says.

"For specific bow models, enter strike plate thickness  _          
 (X.XX or fractional equivalent)         ."
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Re: How is YOUR bow shelf cut?
« Reply #31 on: June 19, 2011, 03:02:00 PM »
Talked with Bill of Zipper bows at Cloverdale. His extreme risers are 3/16 past center. And I beleive all others are either the same or 1/8th.
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Re: How is YOUR bow shelf cut?
« Reply #32 on: June 19, 2011, 03:19:00 PM »
BW PAX -3/16
Tall Tines recurve -1/8
Shrew Carbon Classic Hunter cut to center
BW Crown Jewel -3/16
 1965 Bear Kodiak ____?
1968 Bear K-Mag ___?
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Re: How is YOUR bow shelf cut?
« Reply #33 on: June 19, 2011, 05:14:00 PM »
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Originally posted by Swamp Yankee:
Just a word of caution re: Stu's calculator numbers.  Just because a bow is cut 3/16 beyond center does NOT mean you enter -3/16 into the calculator!  The calculator wants to know how far the ARROW is from center, which needs to include the thickness of the arrow plate too.  Typically a -3/16 cut bow has a 1/16 plate which equals -1/8 for the calculator.  I can't tell you how often I've seen plate thickness not considered when people complain the calculator does't work for them.
Absolutely! I believe this measurement is the single most important entry into Stu's calc.
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Re: How is YOUR bow shelf cut?
« Reply #34 on: June 19, 2011, 06:04:00 PM »
Schafer Silvertip  T/D is -3/16".
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Re: How is YOUR bow shelf cut?
« Reply #35 on: June 19, 2011, 10:34:00 PM »
Hello David,
Good post!  Here is the data I have.  When you get this totalled up please let me know and I will include them in the DSC.
-Stu

3Rivers Dalaa T/D Recurve   - 11/32
3Rivers Tomahawk     1/16
A&H ACS CX TD Longbow     -  3/16
Abbott D/R Longbow     1/16
Acadian Woods Cajun Hunter   -  3/16
Acadian Woods Carbon Reflex Recurve   -  3/16
Acadian Woods Tree Stick   -  3/16
Allen Boice Liberty English      1/8
Ancient Spirits Cahokia   0      
Assenheimer Master Hunter   -  3/16
Bateman R/D Longbow   0      
Bear A or B Mag. Riser   -  1/8
Bear AuSable longbow   0      
Bear Cheyenne Recurve   -  1/8
Bear Grizzly (Current Prod.)   -  1/8
Bear Grizzly (Old Model)   0      
Bear Kodiak Hunter   0      
Bear Kodiak Mag   -  1/8
Bear Minuteman   -  3/16
Bear Montana   0      
Bear Super Kodiak    0      
Bear TakeDown A or B Riser   0      
Belcher Patriot Recurve    -  1/8
Ben Pearson Palomino   0      
Ben Pearson Mustang   0      
Big Jim's Buffalo Bow   0      
Big Jim's Thunder Child   0      
Bill Stewart MultiCam Super Hunter    -  1/4
Bill Stewart MultiCam Trad Hunter    -  3/16
Black Widow PCH   -  1/8
Black Widow PL   0      
Black Widow PMA   -  3/16
Black Widow PSA   -  3/16
Black Widow PSR   0      
Blacktail Recurve   -  3/16
Bob Lee 1-piece Recurve   -  1/16
Bob Lee Stick   0      
Bob Lee Takedown Longbow   -  3/16
Bob Lee Takedown Recurve   -  3/16
Border Black Douglas   -  3/16
Brackenbury Takedown Longbow   -  3/16
Brackenbury Takedown Recurve   -  3/16
Browning 50 Cobra I   0      
Browning Wasp   -  1/8
Caribow Peregrine   -  1/16
Carpathian (CTA) Red Stag     4/41
Centaur Carbon Elite   0      
Centaur Longbow   0      
Checkmate Hunter   -  1/16
Crow Creek Black Feather   0      
Dale Dye Good Medicine   -  1/8
Dan Quillian Longhunter     1/8
Dry Ridge Longbow   0      
Dryad Bush Wacker   0      
Dryad Orion Longbow   0      
Great Northern Bushbow     1/8
Great Northern Critter Gitter     1/8
Great Northern Critter Gitter Special     1/8
Great Northern Fireball   0      
Great Northern Ghost     1/8
Great Northern Super Ghost   0      
Great Northern Trad Longbow     1/8
Great Plains SR Swift Black Hawk   -  1/4
Great Tree Volcano   0      
Greatree Dearslayer   -  3/16
Habu Death Ader   -  1/16
Habu Vyperkahn   -  1/8
Holm-Made Osprey    0      
Holm-Made River Runner   0      
Horne's Brush Bow   0      
Hoyt Buffalo Recurve   -  3/16
J.K. Traditions Kanati   0      
JD Berry Appollo   0      
JD Berry Renaissance     1/8
Kohannah Kurve   0      
Kota Prairie Fire    0      
Leon Stewart r/d Longbow   0      
Leon Stewart Recurve   0      
Leon Stewart Slammer   0      
Lost Creek Judge   0      
Lost Creek Life-Ender   0      
Lost Creek N.A.T   0      
Martin Bamboo Viper   0      
Martin Dream Catcher   -  1/8
Martin Hatfield   -  1/8
Martin Hunter   -  1/8
Martin Jaguar   -  3/4
Martin Savanna   0      
Martin Serengeti   0      
Morrison Mini-14 ILF Riser Longbow    -  3/16
Morrison Mini-14 ILF Riser Recurve    -  3/16
Pearson Hunter   -  1/8
Pearson Predator   -  1/16
Predator Classic Recurve   -  1/8
Predator Hunter   -  1/16
Quinn stallion   -  5/16
Ragim Black Bear   0      
Ragim Impala   0      
Rose Oak Prowler T/D   -  1/8
Rose Oak Super Wildcat   -  1/8
Rose Oak King Panther   -  1/8
Samick Black Onyx   -  1/16
Samick Legend     1/8
Samick Red Stag   0      
Samick Sage   -  3/16
Schafer Silvertip Longbow   -  1/16
Schafer Silvertip Recurve   -  3/16
Shakespeare Purist X-4   0      
Thunderstick Ram Horn   0      
TimberHawk Falcon     1/8
Toelke Whip     1/16
TradTech Galaxy ILF Recurve   0      
TradTech Recon ILF Recurve   0      
Treadway Black Swamp     1/16
Wapiti Recurves (all models)   0      
Wes Wallace Recurve   -  3/16
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Re: How is YOUR bow shelf cut?
« Reply #36 on: June 20, 2011, 10:40:00 AM »
Stu thank you for providing your database from the
DSC. I have combined the information Dave had in his list with yours. I will send the excel spreadsheet to both of you

There are some discrepancies that I noticed.  Check BOB LEE..Recurve and Toelke Whip.  

3Rivers Dalaa T/D Recurve  - 11/32
3Rivers Tomahawk 1/16
A&H ACS CX TD Longbow - 3/16
Abbott D/R Longbow 1/16
Acadian Woods Cajun Hunter - 3/16
Acadian Woods Carbon Reflex Recurve - 3/16
Acadian Woods Tree Stick - 3/16
Allen Boice Liberty English 1/8
Ancient Spirits Cahokia 0
Apex Predator Cumberland +1/8"
Apex Predator Sapelo +1/8"
Apex Predator Ossabaw 0
Apex Predator Wassaw 0
Bateman R/D Longbow 0
Bear A or B Mag. Riser - 1/8
Bear AuSable longbow 0
Bear Cheyenne Recurve - 1/8
Bear Grizzly (Current Prod.) - 1/8
Bear Grizzly (Old Model) 0
Bear Kodiak Hunter 0
Bear Kodiak Mag - 1/8
Bear Minuteman - 3/16
Bear Montana 0
Bear Super Kodiak 0
Bear TakeDown A or B Riser 0
Belcher Patriot Recurve - 1/8
Ben Pearson Palomino 0
Ben Pearson Mustang 0
Big Jim's Buffalo Bow 0
Big Jim's Thunder Child 0
Bill Stewart MultiCam Super Hunter - 1/4
Bill Stewart MultiCam Trad Hunter - 3/16
Black Widow PCH - 1/8
Black Widow PL 0
Black Widow PMA - 3/16
Black Widow PSA - 3/16
Black Widow PSR 0
Blacktail Recurve - 3/16
BOB LEE RECURVE -3/16
Bob Lee 1-piece Recurve - 1/16
Bob Lee Stick 0
Bob Lee Takedown Longbow - 3/16
Bob Lee Takedown Recurve - 3/16
Border Black Douglas - 3/16
Brackenbury Takedown Longbow - 3/16
Brackenbury Takedown Recurve - 3/16
Browning 50 Cobra I 0
Browning Wasp - 1/8
Caribow Peregrine - 1/16
Carpathian (CTA) Red Stag 4/41
Centaur Carbon Elite 0
Centaur Longbow 0
Checkmate Hunter - 1/16
Crow Creek Black Feather 0
Dale Dye Good Medicine - 1/8
Dan Quillian Longhunter 1/8
Dry Ridge Longbow 0
Dryad Bush Wacker 0
Dryad Orion Longbow 0
Great Northern Bushbow 1/8
Great Northern Critter Gitter 1/8
Great Northern Critter Gitter Special 1/8
Great Northern Fireball 0
Great Northern Ghost 1/8
Great Northern Super Ghost 0
Great Northern Trad Longbow 1/8
Great Plains SR Swift Black Hawk - 1/4
Great Tree Volcano 0
Greatree Dearslayer - 3/16
Habu Death Ader - 1/16
Habu Vyperkahn - 1/8
28)Harrelson LB------- to center
Holm-Made Osprey 0
Holm-Made River Runner 0
32)Howard Hill Wesley- +3/16
Horne's Brush Bow 0
Hoyt Buffalo Recurve - 3/16
J.K. Traditions Kanati 0
JD Berry Appollo 0
JD Berry Renaissance 1/8
Kanati   0
Kohannah Kurve 0
Kota Prairie Fire 0
Leon Stewart r/d Longbow 0
Leon Stewart Recurve 0
Leon Stewart Slammer 0
Lost Creek Judge 0
Lost Creek Life-Ender 0
Lost Creek N.A.T 0
Martin Bamboo Viper 0
Martin Dream Catcher - 1/8
Martin Hatfield - 1/8
Martin Hunter - 1/8
Martin Jaguar - 3/4
Martin Savanna 0
Martin Serengeti 0
Morrison Mini-14 ILF Riser Longbow - 3/16
Morrison Mini-14 ILF Riser Recurve - 3/16
Pearson Hunter - 1/8
Pearson Predator - 1/16
30)Pittsley Predator-- -3/16
Predator Classic Recurve - 1/8
Predator Hunter - 1/16
Quinn stallion - 5/16
Ragim Black Bear 0
Ragim Impala 0
RER Arroyo------------ -3/16
RER XR t/d------------ -3/16
Rose Oak Prowler T/D - 1/8
Rose Oak Super Wildcat - 1/8
Rose Oak King Panther - 1/8
Samick Black Onyx - 1/16
Samick Legend 1/8
Samick Red Stag 0
Samick Sage - 3/16
34)Savage SS---------- -3/16
Schafer Silvertip Longbow - 1/16
Schafer Silvertip Recurve - 3/16
Schafer TD LB 0
Shakespeare Purist X-4 0
6) Stalker------------ -3/16
Thunderstick Ram Horn 0
TimberHawk Falcon 1/8
Toelke Whip 1/16
1) Toelke Whip---------to center
TradTech Galaxy ILF Recurve 0
TradTech Recon ILF Recurve 0
Treadway Black Swamp 1/16
Wallace TD--------- -3/16 Royal LB--
Wapiti Recurves (all models) 0
Wes Wallace Recurve - 3/16
7) Zipper------------- -1/8(?)


Here is the list of unknowns
7) Zipper -1/8?
8) Shrew
9) BW
11)Griffin
12)Acadian
13)Habu
15)Boice Liberty
16)V-Archery
17)Hoyt
18)Border
20)Fedora
22)Pronghorn
23)Northern Mist
24)Cascade
25)Assenheimer
33)Eaglewing---------- all options
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Re: How is YOUR bow shelf cut?
« Reply #37 on: June 20, 2011, 11:15:00 AM »
Thanks Stu and Les! When I ordered a Whip from Dan Toelke he said it was cut to center. I'll try and verify the Bob Lee bows too.
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Re: How is YOUR bow shelf cut?
« Reply #38 on: June 20, 2011, 11:52:00 AM »
Dave will send a better spread sheet to you later.
I am breaking down the info into

bow type
center cut fraction
center cut decimal.

You and Stu should have it later this afternoon.
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Re: How is YOUR bow shelf cut?
« Reply #39 on: June 20, 2011, 11:55:00 AM »
1991 Sky Sky Hawk = 1/8" past center.
2009 Zona T/D Recurve = center.

I've always measured the center by finding my center of the limbs, mark that spot then along with stringing the bow I also tape some B50 to those marks then measure the shelf.

Worked for me for may years.
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