Who has shot the Qarbon Nano?

[Blackhawk]

WV,

he posted the resolution on page 3 in this topic.

[JohnV]

It's interesting how so many people on this website like to throw rocks at the ABS bow. (probably the same who also enjoy trashing their broadhead line for being too expensive and made overseas). Border bows are popular and made in Scotland yet no one seems to bash them for price and for being non-American made.  And how about the price tag for the all-American habu bows?  As far as advertising hype...there is truth to that as the test speeds for the ABS bow are respectable but hardly spectacular. But let's chuck rocks at all the other archery manufacturers/bowyers who exaggerate the performance of their products.  I have yet to see a bowyer advertise, "My bows are slow and kick like a mule in your bow hand!"

[wv lungbuster]

I read the resolution Lon, I just wanted to know why the bow would not align together.

[joebuck]

My brother of the bow ,JohnV, brings up a great point. well he should , he's a smart cookie, he's  a scientist.

ABS is a very well oiled marketing company when it comes to marketing their product. I understand that aggressive approach will rub some. Hype? in this day and age in a global market, if you have something different than your competitors ( ex.solid Carbon Riser)you better promote it or that is lost invested money. Who else makes a SOLID carbon riser in their longbow? IMO...thats something to Hype about....
but yes ABS knows how to market products for sure.they are stacked in that dept...Garriet Schlief , their president, worked years running the marketing side of one of the nation's largest hunter org. Todd Smith, who needs no introduction, handles some detail also. Ed Schlief,co-owner, well if you know ED, he has a passion for making, inventing and marketing archery hunting products. We were in the bush one time togehter in north alaska and stumbled upon some bow hunters a week deep into our solitude bowhunting trip north of Aniak lake..( my bow is still there, another story), first words out of ed's mouth ....NOT how are ya'll doing? or "any luck?"......but this. "have ya'll ever tried seal skin for arrow rest?"..i hit the ground with laughter. Thats how Ed got started in this buisness, buying seal skin from native American eskimos and turning it into an archery product. gosh that was lat 80's or early 90's...i'm gettin old...hit 50 next week.            

now..Is that Bob lee bow really on Steriods?..or Hype?.     .is easton arrows made in USA or assembled?.   :eek:   ...food for thought...hold your rocks till u know the truth.

[Jedimaster]

Originally posted by JohnV:
Border bows are popular and made in Scotland yet no one seems to bash them for price and for being non-American made ...

I have yet to see a bowyer advertise, "My bows are slow and kick like a mule in your bow hand!"

Perhaps John is shining a light on the elephant in the room.  We all tend to choose our prejudices.  In this case, you seldom here anything negative about some foreign manufacturers, while others are maligned. Perhaps it's not a "foreign" issue as much as an "Asian" issue.  For the record, I'm fine with that if that's your sticking point ... let's just have it out in the open, otherwise it's hypocritical.  I can quickly think of at least four Canadian bowyers that should be excluded if we are going to draw the line on foreign vs. domestic.  By the way, did anyone's opinion of the (American) bowyer that contributed to this bows development decrease as a result?

No bowyer will tell you they think their product is inferior to another.  They all make the "best".  I'm inclined to agree with them ... all of them.  Some make a "best" for me, others make a "best" for you.  

Here's something I've considered but I don't think has been addressed yet:  ABS brought in two (maybe more) high profile American bowyers.  One parted company, but either way, somebody had to pay for their time and expertise.  I doubt they would have given it away pro-bono to the "competition".  I understand the bow could possibly be copied/duplicated at a cost savings but that does not negate the expense of coming up with the design in the first place.  Folks have to get paid, American folks, consultants, experts, etc. along with R/D cost and now production costs.  If you want to compare apples to apples, build up your bow from scratch and compare start up costs.  You simply cannot compare what it would cost to make a suitable copy to what it cost to develop an original concept.

[joebuck]

Jedimaster!!.....you are very well written...sorry i bring our state's literacy down.....thats good stuff......
i injected in my earlier post  that there was HUGE cost in start up. Its not that easy buying a part here and part there. they sunk $50,000 alone in travel probably. i shot their first prototype, i forgot the investment they had in it only to scrap the whole bow 3 weeks later when the American bowyer fell through.

Another point to ponder is what is acceptable markup? do you not figure in R&D? travel? setup molds? failed designs? fialed molds?office overhead? pre-order committment? volume minimun? shipping fees? container insurance?

what would you say is an acceptable mark up for our "American Bowyer?" 25 50 or 100 or 500%?

question me?  call ABS and tell them you are thinking about having a carbon recurve made, can you give me some advice?

[usmc2444]

in answer to bow not alligning, no answer spoke to ed and he said bow fit together,  i was not able to line up, we had no resolution, he said would make video and e-mail. i would think i might have did something wrong but cant figure out it looked like a no brainer, i am old but not demented,, yet.  but i did appreciate the call and he did try to settle this

[dnovo]

I don't have any input on this bows shooting charatistics as I have never shot one. I will say it does not appeal to me at all (I think it is butt ugly) and too much $$ for me. I don't know if it is overpriced as that is only decided by someone interested in one. Will they pay it or not is the ????.

[atatarpm]

Well here is one for you to try; I drive really big oversize trucks for a living all over the U.S. I have mistakenly left my bow in the truck in the summer and also had 30 to 40 pound objects fall on it. Picked it up and checked it out and it was fine and still as straite as the day I got it.  This bow is tough.

[atatarpm]

Terry Green said something the other day in another thred that I thought about and find it quite true for the bows that I own " When you put 10 grains of arrow weight to the pound of bow they all fly about the same speed".  And that at least is true on the eight bows that I own.

[SERGIO VENNERI]

Whew ! Am i ever happy i found my goto Bows 28 years ago,IMO there are no better today!  

[atatarpm]

R.Forge no worries sir I am just amazed at the differances of opinons about this one bow. I go to ranges all over the U.S. and people are always asking to look at my bow. And I will.    also say that my Great Plains Blackhawk gets the same responces.  With great thanks Ric Mitchell

[kevgsp]

Wonder how many other sponsors bows would be allowed to be called butt ugly, overpriced, overhyped etc. by people that have never shot or even seen it.

[Jim Wright]

One needs simply to look on the ABS website to judge the bows visual appeal and price, opinions are definitely allowed and in fact I can't imagine how they would be forbidden even for sponsor's bows.

[Ragnarok Forge]

kevgsp,  

Last  time time I checked most of us live in America.   Freedom of speech and polite disagreement is a right.   The mods step in when we become less than civil.   I for one have enjoyed the conversations here and learned a lot about why the bow is overpriced.  That it is overpriced really isn't in question when you can buy a Hoyt Carbon Matrix which is an infinitely more complex system with way more parts and expense to R & D / develop, and construct for the same price.   Ugly is in the eye of the beholder.

[joevan125]

I want a bow that i have a lot of confidence in and one im not afraid to reach out there and make a killing shot.

I paid more for a bow than the bow you guys are talking about and it just didnt feel right and i shot it a LOT, sold it and never looked back.

If i ever get a chance to shoot there new bow and i think it will greatly increase my chances of making a good killing shot i will be the first in line to buy one.

We owe it to the animals we hunt to hunt with the best weapon that we as trad hunters can make fast clean kills with.

That being said it is a ugly bow.  

[MikeW]

Freedom of speech and polite disagreement is a right. The mods step in when we become less than civil. I for one have enjoyed the conversations here and learned a lot about why the now is overpriced.

You know what's out of line here? The original poster asked:
 

Who has shot the Qarbon Nano?

And am guessing here but I bet out of 75 some odd posts and 5 pages he only got maybe 6 people reply who have actually shot the thing, the rest is a bunch whining and complaining, it's not made in the US, it's ugly, it's overpriced ect. ect.

W.T.H...?

[kevgsp]

Next time somebody asks who has shot xxx bow (who is a sponsor here) just post up that it is an ugly overpriced piece of junk. See what happens.  Don't forget to add that you have never seen or shot it.

Talk about disrespectful.

[MikeW]

Originally posted by kevgsp:
Next time somebody asks who has shot xxx bow (who is a sponsor here) just post up that it is an ugly overpriced piece of junk. See what happens.  Don't forget to add that you have never seen or shot it.

Talk about disrespectful.

[Ragnarok Forge]

It is always interesting to me how people become upset and negative at the end of these posts.  For the record I said a lot earlier that Win & Win makes excellent equipment.  I also said that I am glad people are buying them along with my other comments.  I wish the owner of ABS well in his business endevours.   It does not change that the bow is ugly, overpriced, and overhyped in my opinion.