VPA "Penetrator" 300 gr. 2 Blade

[Gary Logsdon]

Several of you have requested a 300 grain version of the VPA "Penetrator" 250 that I reported on in another thread.  I came up with a ROUGH drawing based upon the specs sent to me by the guys at VPA.  Actual photos should be posted next week.  As with the 250, the 300 gr. version has a ferrule that extends to the tip for added strength.

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[Ari]

Do you know if they are making these in a lighter weight glue-on heads anytime in there near future?

[amar911]

Even though I just ordered a dozen 250 grain 2 blade heads today, I am ready to order a dozen of these when they are available. They really look good!

Allan

[stalkin4elk]

That won't work at all...ha ha.
Seriously, how about specs. such as single or dble bevel,hardness,glue or screw in options, lxW,price,sharp in package,etc.??

[tradtusker]

Very nice

The Ferrel extending to the front is a MUST for strength and integrity. The VPA heads have that covered and taper from the tip to the back of the head, the best for penetrating heavy bone.

Based on my testing over the last several years on mostly Water Buffalo Id like to see a slightly sharper angle on the Tanto, I had a chance latter this season to shoot a lot of arrows into downed Buffalo with some interesting results, the flatter stile angle Tanto (such as the grizzly) is IMO much more prone to deflection on angled shots. A small sharper Tanto proving equally as strong but much less prone to deflection.

Iv found deflection off ribs on the Big Buffalo to be the most common result in a wound, followed by broadhead failure (most common is the front 3rd of the head failing)

most of you know how much i love 300gr heads, there is no doubt these will be on the front of my big game arrows.

[AKCrazyhorse]

Originally posted by amar911:
Even though I just ordered a dozen 250 grain 2 blade heads today, I am ready to order a dozen of these when they are available. They really look good!

Allan

Same here.

[Gary Logsdon]

VPA will have some pix of the actual heads posted here next week, however I think my drawing is fairly close to representing the 300.  I believe it's the same width as the 250, which is 1 1/8"  Length somewhat less that 3" yet still very aggressive. Andy, I'll relay your point concerning the angle of the tip.

[JimB]

Gary,are you sure about the length? What I read was 3.1" length and 1 1/8" wide,or has that changed?It also said 1 to 2.75 ratio which fits with that length and width.That is a slightly better ratio than the Grizzly El Grande.That's going to be one mean head.

[Gary Logsdon]

Hi Jim, that 3.1" post referred to the overall length.  I wondered about that myself and followed up with some questions.  The distance from the base of the ferrule/shaft to the tip of the "tanto" creates about a 1:2.75" ratio.   My drawing reflects the actual ratio pretty accurately.  As you observed, it will be a MEAN head.  The 250s I tested are tough brutes due to the overall thickness and ferrule support all the way to tip.  The 300 has the same advantages.

[Gary Logsdon]

Someone inquired about lighter glue-ons. Yes, I have heard that they are a possiblity. Concerning the L-W ratio, I don't have the length vs width figures in front of me right now, however if you look at my drawing you can get a good feel for it's profile.

[Gary Logsdon]

Looking at the drawing you can tell that it's probably less than a 2.75:1 ratio, yet it is obviously a very aggressive profile.  One of the advantages of not going longer has to due with maintaining the ferrule support to the tip, which is crucial if you want a head that surpasses most of what's currently available in that regard.

[Gary Logsdon]

Please excuse the typos . . . worked late into the night.

[amar911]

Andy,

I hope when you were doing the later broadhead testing, like we did when I was there, that you didn't get your fingers cut up. Sorry about that with me! I want to know more about the additional testing you did.

I don't know if you have been getting my messages, but somehow I want to be able to communicate with you better. You need to get some of these VPAs on the end of your arrows and let all of us know what you think of them. I believe both the 300 and the 250 will be close, but on the really big animals like buffalo, I will be using the 300s also. You are saving those spots for Doug and me next year, right? I need more info on dates, etc. I probably will be shooting these VPAs on that hunt!!!

On the point shape, I tend to agree with you that less angle might be better, but some deflection seems to be desirable when hitting those thick ribs. You remember how my ABS Ashby heads were often going straight into the ribs without deflecting and getting stuck in the heavy bone without sufficient penetration. What are your thoughts about that problem?

Take care friend,

Allan

[JimB]

Got it Gary.Thanks.

[Pat B.]

Gary, I'm still of the opinion that the tanto on the lighter heads is too blunt. Perhaps VPA could look into that as well as on the 300's..

[Longspur77]

That will be devastating. I wish they could make some 1.5 in wide like the big Jim big 3. I think the extra width Would make this big of a head even more brutal. My philosophy is the bigger the better. What would you rather be stabbed with. A sharp letter opener or a Rambo knife.

[cacciatore]

They look to be TOUGH.

[Spurs]

thanks so much for the update Gary.  i will have to try these.  like dave, i believe vpa could steal the 2 blade market with a wider head.  the 1 1/8 seems to be a bit small for such a beefy design.  that is the only negative i can see. the design is killer

[Guru]

As far as a wider head....I believe that like the 3 blade heads(after talking to Jeff from VPA, "boomerang" here), a wider head would have to be significantly more expensive because of the size of the "stock" steel VPA would have to start with.

At least it's something like that, I'm sure Jeff or Ray can explain it way better.

As most know I'm a die hard 3 blade guy. But since my son will be hunting next fall for the first time at 12yrs. old, and will be needing all the penetration help he can get with his short draw....these 2 blade Penetrators will be just the ticket!

[HB3]

Just saw the thread, looks like a great head. I ordered some of the 250's for myself and some of each of the lighter heads for my wife and daughters to try. The 300 grain heads would be great. I wonder if a single bevel will be an option.