VPA "Penetrator" 300 gr. 2 Blade

[Bob Morrison]

I would like to see more point and less angle on tip.

[tradtusker]

Im not concerned about the tanto Allan, ill be making sure i have it SHARP. I have some testing to do before i worry to much about the tip, when i get my hands on the finished 300s ill be putting a few through the Buff shoulders i brought back.

Here is the direct link to Ray's site for ordering

http://www.rayzor-vpa.com/

[amar911]

Thanks Andy. I am going to order them as soon as they are on the site, which so far they aren't. I still want to hear about the testing you and Gary (or anyone else) do on the heads. These are the ones I will bring next year when I go back to Oz unless you tell me not to!

Allan

[Pat B.]

IMO, Bob's right....

[Gary Logsdon]

At first I too had doubts about the wider tanto tip . . . it didn't look like the ones I had seen on other heads; would it affect penetration??

The tip on the 250 gr. I tested was factory beveled and reasonably sharp out of the package.  After seeing how the point and leading edge held up passing through bone, shot after shot, I came to a new conclusion; the added strength provided by the beefed up leading edge made a lot of sense. No curl, no bending, nothing whatsoever to impede penetration.

I believe that the head will keep its structural integrity as it slices its way through the vitals and out the opposite side if it happens to contact bone on entry.

[rayzor150]

They are up on the rayzor-vpa.com website now.  The amount of Tanto was determined through actual testing.  Original prototypes had less. We did not want any curl so it was changed to what you see here.

[amar911]

Well, I just ordered a dozen, so I am counting on them being amazing.

Allan

[HB3]

OK had ordered the 250's but the 300's are what I wanted, so just ordered some of those. Can't wait to try them on some big Hog's.

[JimB]

Slightly off topic I guess but if you haven't,you should take a look at VPA's Small Game Thumper.I was needing some heavier blunts so I got some 200 gr glue on SGT'ers and got them weighted to match my broadheads.That is one nasty head.They fly very well.I shot one through a tough,laundry detergent jug and had to pick a piece of that jug out of the front of the head.It had cut a perfect 5 point,star-shaped hole through that jug,like a cookie cutter.The corresponding piece of plastic stuck in the head,looked like it was stamped out with a die.Really a quality head and a wide variety of weights in both screw on and glue on.I plan to get another set of 250 gr glue ons soon.
http://www.vparchery.com/sgt.php

[rayzor150]

Its amazing the killing power of those SGTs.  We make them in a 300 too.  Screw on only.

[AKCrazyhorse]

yup I'll be going to the 300 's as soon as I get back from Africa.  Wasn't sure I could have them in time so I went with the 250's for this trip.

[Interseptor]

Gary,
Looking at the pictures of the heads, is that the actual size of the heads?  They look awesome!

[amar911]

Ray,

One of the problems I have experienced with another brand of small game head that had a wider diameter and extended "claws" (or "ears"), like the SGT, was having the screw-in shaft break off from the lateral force of the head hitting hard objects off-center with a claw on one side of the head. Have you had any reports of customers experiencing similar breaking of the SGT shafts? I would think that would be a potentially common problem. When I use a head that does not extend beyond the diameter of the arrow shaft, like a blunt or a hex head, I have never had that kind of breakage, for fairly obvious reasons. I did receive one of your SGT heads with my order, so I am going to give it a strenuous workout to see if it breaks on me. If it doesn't, I will buy more of them.

Allan

[LimBender]

While Allan is asking.  Are all the SGT's the same diameter?  I know they aren't the same size due to grains.   :p    Can't tell if that is an optical illusion on the pictures where the heaver heads look like they have a larger diameter. Thanks.

[Troy Breeding]

Must have missed something. I looked at the sight and can't find anything about the 250 or the 300 head.

Troy

[Friend]

Looks to me as if it should be called 'The Big Nasty'.

[rayzor150]

I haven't put them on the VPA site yet as they really aren't readily available yet just these having special runs until we catch up for this season.  They are on the rayzor-vpa.com storefront for presale reservations and are still on schedule for late ext week or early the following as long as our Teflon coaters turn them around in the normal time..

As for SGTs, diameters vary.  As for breaking, no reports I'm aware of but I will say this...  They are not made from the same grade of steel as the broadheads.  They are heat treated and are quite tough. They are black oxide finished rather than Teflon too.  They would have to be a lot more expensive if they were made from the same materials and teflon coated.  That would raise the manufacturing cost up considerably and I don't think anyone would like the sale price.  You wouldn't believe the emails and calls we got when we recalculated our costs and had to raise the selling price to keep from losing money last year.  Couldn't imagine if we tripled it.

[foudarme]

the 250gr sgt can occur to break (these one have been shot with my 50@29.5 ACS on a rebel hunter 7595 arrow with 100gr brass insert) but not the other which are very strong (i have also the 100 and 175gr one and they havent fail even shot with my powerful 73#@30 D350).

   

[Boomerang]

Foudarme,
Those are not SGT's. They are 3River's Hammer and that problem has been addressed on new ones.

[rayzor150]

Ditto Boomerang.  Not VPA SGTs.  Old version of Hammers.  Again, no reported issues with SGTs.