Update... Gene and I checked some set cameras yesterday. We had one set with pre-orbital that had five different bucks on it in one frame. Within 25 yds. we found the first three scrapes of the year and they were already dug deeply into the ground, not just half-hearted scrapes. The buck that did it was a beautiful, very symmetrical 4x4 that would go right at 140" but needs another year ot two. Then last week I cut down a juniper tree that was about 5" in diameter, then dug a 2 ft. hole in the corner of a hidden field. Sunk the tree then poured some cement in to keep it in place. Yesterday afternoon I "rubbed" the mock rub with my saw, then trimmed up two of the overhanging limbs, made a scrape under each limb, put Smokey's pre-orbital on the limbs and a couple drops of buck inter-digital in each scrape. THIS MORNING we checked the camera and had two different bucks already hit the scrapes with a photo of the one doing the overhead branch thing. I'm telling you guys, the stuff works great. By the way... this is NOT a paid endorsement! Best of luck. BW