Bear TD, Is That OK ?

[fivebears]

I looked at mine while I was out shooting and it's almost exactly like yours,which surprised me because I'd never noticed it before.It shoots just fine so I wouldn't worry about yours.Keep in mind though,if you use the point of your arrow to aim you will shoot left.

[kibok&ko]

Originally posted by bianchijon:
I have one exactly like that. I was told by a shop owner that it happened all of the time. The fixturing to put the end clamps on the riser was a little sloppy at Bear and if the operator didn't pay attention it would come out like this. It used to be you had two options. You could send it back to Bear and they would replace it, or you could try putting shims under one side of the limb base on both limbs to try and turn the limbs. The last one never worked for me and I don't want to return it. It shoots just fine but it looks wierd.

Hello five Bears, whith your  answer and the answer of bianchijon  i'm Lost now ....      :confused:          

The gentleman who sell me the bow is a very honnest person so i wish that your answer is the good one .... to just go on shooting and hunting with this bow like before last WE where somebody told me "your bow got a big problem !!!)  !

MAy be 3 Rivers can help about this ?

[Blackstick]

I don’t think Bear would do anything about this bow. The warranty is only for one year to the original owner. A call to Bear would also be fairly expensive for a person living in France. I have seen more than once my Bear Dealer placed on hold for over a half hour trying to get answers for me concerning something as straight forward as delivery time.

Turkey522 picked out something interesting; if the sight window were cut a little too much at the back it would show an exaggerated angle on the shelf.

Both of my TD’s show this shelf angle syndrome. I thought it to just be the nature of the beast. I have shot the 1990 B-Handle for 21 years without problems and there is no reason it won’t be a great shooter in another 30 years. The new 2011 A-Handle coupled with some Rose Oak limbs is also a joy to shoot.

1990
 

2011
 

[kuch]

Look how thin the front overlay is on Kibok&ko's bow ...I think it is the way the sight window was shaped. My A supreme is similar...shoots great.

[kuch]

Upon closer inspection of the second photo and my rug.. the wear is very similar although not what i would have guessed.  Kinda diagonal . My bows bareshaft perfectly  and still show that wear.

[Cane Knife]

My old riser is slightly less angled than "Blacksticks" photos.  Though not as much, it's still not flush.  Never noticed till now but I'm the second owner and I've been shooting it for over 12 years with no problems (wood and carbons).

[kibok&ko]

thank you gentleman's for your Help ! effectively i think Bear CO will not do much about it ..... what i can see on your pics about my riser is much thiner than the other one i can see on pics ... may be for tha reason the angle of the arrow look so big !

The bow shoot well for my appreciation, i 've only one thing about it it's a vibration in the riser when i'm shooting with it !

if it's definitly not a problem with the way the Latch were fixing by the Bear Operator it's perhaps  because the small A riser can't deal completely with N°3 limbs , what do you think ?

[kuch]

I can hear the compass vibrate at times when I shoot ? ?

[fivebears]

My A riser has a set of '71 #3 limbs and it is the quietest shooting bow that I own.

[kibok&ko]

Originally posted by kuch:
I can hear the compass vibrate at times when I shoot ? ?

   

[kibok&ko]

Please, any other pics on the overlay from  the A riser / 3 Rivers special Built from the 2000 something years ?

[Orion]

As said previously, the pix angle tends to exaggerate the angle.  However, it's fairly typical for any cut to center recurve.  Add a piece of leather for a strike plate, and it's 1/16 to 1/8-inch from center.  IMO, that's a good distance from center for finger released arrows. The long shelf magnifies the angle, but it's pretty common on any similarly designed riser.

kibok:  If the bow is vibrating at release, you may be shooting arrows that are too light and/or your brace height may be too low.  I'd suspect the latter.  If your limbs can handle it, try a fast flite type string.  They're not only quieter and faster, they reduce limb vibration as well.

[kibok&ko]

hello Orion, for my 12/ 13 routine it's true i'm shooting only 10 grs / pounds with the BEar but the brace heigt is good also ... may be i'm too use to shoot my heavy ironwood BW ...
unfortunatly the limbs are not FF compatibles .. i' me going to try to take other pics and personaly i never saw that before

on this one ou can see the Knock set

 

[kibok&ko]

same angle knock set with the arrow

 

[kibok&ko]

and if you want to look "straight" to the riser here is the result ...

 

[kibok&ko]

from back there everything look ok

 

[Orion]

kibok: 10 gpp is a pretty good weight.  I wouldn't call that a light arrow.

A low brace height also accentuates the problem/arrow angle on the riser.  What is your brace height?  A bear owner's manual I have recommends a brace height of 7.75-8.75 inches for an A riser and 7-8 inches for a B riser. The higher the brace height, the more the arrow will straighten out on the riser.  I hope that makes sense.  It sure looks like your brace height is too low.

[Yellow Dog]

I had two sets of Gainesville limbs that did the same thing to the centershot of the bow. A set of #1's and a set of #3's. Flip the bow over and sight down the string to see if they are in the center of the limbs. The two sets I had, that I bought used, had a hook in the limb right at the transition from the limb butt into the working area of the limb. Was a bad setup when they glued up and finished the limbs at the factory. Sold both sets with full discloser of what the problem with them was, and both buyers told me they couldn't see a problem with them. But there was. One set was so bad the fletchings on my arrows in the quiver would hit the limb on the shot. Here's what you should see if the alignment is correct.

   

[dad]

I checked my Bears[Super Kodiaks] and they have some of the gap. and I checked my Bob Lee one piece Signature Hunter and it has the same arrow gap on the back and its a shooter just like my Bears. I think all have this with some degree more or less. Some off the pictures I see here are the some of the worst. I wonder if this a just a Bear Archery problem or do all of the bows have it to some degree?

[kibok&ko]

Originally posted by Orion:
kibok: 10 gpp is a pretty good weight.  I wouldn't call that a light arrow.

A low brace height also accentuates the problem/arrow angle on the riser.  What is your brace height?  A bear owner's manual I have recommends a brace height of 7.75-8.75 inches for an A riser and 7-8 inches for a B riser. The higher the brace height, the more the arrow will straighten out on the riser.  I hope that makes sense.  It sure looks like your brace height is too low.

thank you Orion, i'm use and fan to heavy arrow with EFOC, once i even wrote to Mr Fulton of BW bow to be sure that 14 grs / pound will not damage my PSA ...

For that reason the 10 grs  of the arrows of the bear look like light but only for my psychologigical average habits !


On the BEar o have two strings and  my brace height is between 8 /8,5 for each   :cool:  so it's ok