thanks guys and yes i do have some round bails that i could possibly use i never thought of that, i like the idea of the pit also i do have a hedrow that splits th etwo fields i thought about trying to set a natural blind up there as well, last year he stayed tight to that hedrow and he almost gave me shot in my stand but then he turned and went back across the field, and no my season is not open yet so i have time to fashion something and let him get used to it thanks guys i am mostly a woods hunter never hunted many fields till i bought the farm last year so you have all been a great help hope to have good news to post on oct 15!