JMHO, Widows are loud with the stock Widow string. Had and shot them all, SA, MA, TF, SAG, LAG, PSA, PMA, PTF, PSR, PL and PCH. Super shooting bows. With the right brace, string, arrow weight, silencer combination and position you can get them as quiet as any bow out there. I've had the best luck with 8 strand SBD strings and Navaho Wool puffs. I did have one 62" SA that I finally gave up on because I couldn't get it quiet enough no matter what I did. You might have to slow them down a bit to get them silent but speed doesn't kill, silence does. Stable, dependable bows and they are "bombproof", and the Widow Workers give you the best service you can get.