Back in the late 70s, at a 3d shoot there was me, my family and two or three other people shooting recurves and longbows. One fellow was smoothly snap shooting respectable groups with a Bear Griz, about a fifty pounder. Someone taunting him said "You really think that thing has enough power to kill an Iowa deer?" The kid turned and said "I got a pass through on an elk last year, besides if there is a deer out there this bow won't kill, we are all in danger." He turned to take another shot and splat, wood chips, arrow nocks and feathers were all over the front of the target. It was one too many in the stack. It takes a pretty good bow to be better than a Bear Grizzly.