i have killed 7 bucks and 4 does of THAT mountain, none with trad but 11 deer none the less. a B&C, and 2 others that would make Ny Big Buck club. they are there. the honest truth is i do not hunt as hard as i use to, nowhere near the house. if a man sat on that top ridge right now for 5 hours 4 days in a row he would see deer. i still LOVE to hunt but time is not on my side. you have to get a good feel for the area, put your finger on the pulse. i screwd around in to many other areas again this year, that will not happen next year. Bowspirit just had a big racked 6 point in bow range there last week but could not get a good shot, had him at 15 yards sitting in the low ground blind.