Longbow with no handshock-true?

[beendare]

A longbow with no handshock [in hunting weights]- is there such a thing? I see comments stating this 'no shock' but is that a qualified statement?

 What are the factors that make it so? The handle mass of the recurves I have tried and the geometry/design must be a huge factor in decreasing handshock. With the relative lighter/lesser mass of the longbow handles, seems like reducing handshock would be difficult.

Or am I stating this incorrectly; I'm talking about that feeling when the bow wants to jump out of your hand.

 Fairly new to the sport and a lefty. I will eventually try every longbow I can get my hands on but so far that has been tough...like in one.

[ChuckC]

I believe when it comes down to actuality. . .   no bow is without shock.  A better description may be "not much hand shock",  or, "I can still feel my arm after ten shots",  or simlar.
ChuckC

[Smithhammer]

My #55 Savannah longbow with an SBD string is absolutely dead in the hand. I attribute it to tuning (arrow and bow), string choice, and good design.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

The tern you are looking for and have heard is "Dead in the hand"  

Building a bow with no hand shock requires a good limb balance and timing of the limbs to stop at the same time. The pre load at brace height, or string tension is what determines if the limbs stop dead and transfer the energy to the shaft instead of back into the riser. In some cases when the mass of the outer limb is too much for the limbs to stop dead it gives that kick you are referring to even if the limbs are timed correctly and the tiller is adjusted to the pressure point on the grip.

If a bow is fairly well balanced the archer can usually tune the bow by using different brace heights and slight grip pressure adjustments to find the sweet spot.

The mass weight of the riser has very little to do with hand shock if the bow is designed and balanced correctly. If a bow needs more mass in the riser to absorb hand shock, there is something wrong with the way it's limbs are balanced or timed, or both. IMO

If you have never experienced a "Dead in the hand" bow I'd be glad to build you one with a guarantee.

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I looooooooooked a long time to find a longbow without "hand shock".  

Being a lefty like you our choices are some what limited on test bows.

After years of looking I found one that's perfect for me.

I suggest you talk to Allen Boice at Liberty Longbows.  NO hand shock what-so-ever!

Bob

[LV2HUNT]

I do not have any experience with D style longbows but any deflex reflex longbow made by a reputable bowyer will have basically no handshock at all with a proper weight arrow.

[rastaman]

There are several out there that would qualify.  Don't take our word for it though.  Try them and see.  You have a fine bowyer up above that just offered to build you one with a guarantee.      
Good luck in your search!

[Crash]

I've never seen a bowyer offer that guarantee.

Until a bow is designed that is 100% efficient, there will be handshock.  As Kirk stated, it can be reduced to the point, through tuning, arrow selection and proper design, that it is not readily felt.  That is where the "dead in the hand" statement comes from.  Most R/D bows have very little.  Most "D" bows will have more.  Just the way it is.

[randy grider]

A well made  reflex/deflex longbow, shooting arrows that weigh 10 grains per # of bow weight, should not have any noticeable handshock, no more than a recurve. Straight limbed longbows have a tad more, but even then, if properly built (tillered) and heavy arrows its should not rattle you.

[pumatrax]

reminds me of the statement for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction...most of the energy is absorbed by the arrow ; some by the string and limbs and "some" by your hand...granted some bows absorb it somewhat better than others...just sayin

[Ragnarok Forge]

Kirk makes a sweet bow and they shoot dead in the hand.  Wes Wallace also makes a R/D longbow that is dead in the hand.  Adding an 8 strand FF string and 10.5 gpp arrows ensures I feel no hand shock.  If you shot 8 gpp or less arrows I bet there would be some noticeable hand shock for both  bows. Though it would be very minor.

[buckeye_hunter]

3 piece Bob Lee takedown longbow

[Autumnarcher]

Originally posted by beendare:
A longbow with no handshock [in hunting weights]- is there such a thing?

What you'd be looking for is a Thunderstick. Absolutely dead in the hand. Best ang for the buck out there IMO.

[Jeff Strubberg]

EVERY bow has handshock, longbow or recurve.  You can absolutely reduce handshock with the right design, tuning and timing of the limbs.

Saying a bow has no hand shock is like saying an arrow shoots flat.  Ain't so, never will be.

The least shocky bows I have shot are high end recurves and hybrid longbows (extreme R/D).

[JINKSTER]

To me?.."Well Designed" is about 1/2 of it..the other 2/4ths?..is "Tuning" and "Form & Release"..and when all 4/4ths come together?..my Bob Lee TD Hunter Recurve and My Bushmen "American Native" hybrid longbow are about as shock free as it gets..which is very dead in the hand..especially my Bob lee but cause it's weighs 2-3X's what my longbow does.

But there's a reason why when it comes to the old school broom handle D Longbows that the old clich'e applied..

"Grip It & Rip It"

and you bess "Grip" it. LOL!

[ishoot4thrills]

I swear, I don't feel ANY hand shock whatsoever with my Kanati LB. None. Nada. Nil. Zilch. And, believe me, I know what hand shock is. I have an osage bow(over built) I made several years ago that will flat rattle your teeth!

Granted, I am shooting fairly heavy arrows weighing in at 11.3 grains per pound of draw weight with the Kanati. But still, it is absolutely dead in the hand with my setup. It is definitely a real pleasure to shoot.

[BWD]

My Kanati may have some, but I don't feel it. And believe me, my left elbow will tell on any bow that isn't timed correctly. That's why I tiller by shooting and adjusting as needed when finishing a bow blank, or refinishing a bow that has some rattle.
This is one area where r/d bows have it all over the straight end bows, imo.

[Gen273]

A 51 pound zipper sxt longbow, has no hand shock that I can tell.

[**DONOTDELETE**]

Now I have shot a few bows that other said had VERY BAD SHOCK, Now with that said, I have shot the same bows and didn't few a thing.

Hill bows have been said to knock teeth out of the shooters mouth. Never had that feeling what so ever. It all comes down to how you hold the bow.

I owned a shrew bow with no pinch or staking and no shock. I Now own a Jerry Hill Stalker Deluxe and the same is true with it.. No shock when I shoot it..

So to answer Your question... YES there is hand shock free Long Bows..

[BRITTMAN]

A few that come to mind for me that have no felt hand shock are the Firefly and Hummingbird take down longbows .